http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189691,00.html

This just proves prayer doesn't work. Nothing about the goodness or lack thereof of religious people. The factual accuracy of their claims does not have a direct bearing on goodness.

I hate to say it, but knee-jerk anti-religious sentiment like this is not good for the popularity of transhumanism, and is in fact hard to distinguish from Falwell-Robertsonite knee-jerk fundamentalism.

Better luck next time.

Man PS2, you read what I asked you in the other thread. I know many good transhumanists who spend day and night in the lab, working their butts off in order to save yours. Please stop making their life harder than it already is by provoking conflicts with religion in our name.

John Schloendorn:

Man PS2, you read what I asked you in the other thread. I know many good transhumanists who spend day and night in the lab, working their butts off in order to save yours. Please stop making their life harder than it already is by provoking conflicts with religion in our name.

so are you religious?

Is this what you are implying to me?

PS2. Many people have many different thoughts on religion, but there is nothing fundamently wrong with religious people. Religion doesn't make people bad the people are bad and just use religion as an excuse. As the name of the site suggest, betterhumans should be tolerent and open minded. Please keep this in mind.

JoelStephenson:

PS2. Many people have many different thoughts on religion, but there is nothing fundamently wrong with religious people. Religion doesn't make people bad the people are bad and just use religion as an excuse. As the name of the site suggest, betterhumans should be tolerent and open minded. Please keep this in mind.

In many ways, religious people are our biggest obstacle to novelize the world.

Yes, but stiring the pot of 80% of the worlds population with "I'm right, your wrong" attitude isn't going to help.

We need to find common ground and respect their believes.

But internal fighting wont help us either so I will leave it there

JoelStephenson:

Yes, but stiring the pot of 80% of the worlds population with "I'm right, your wrong" attitude isn't going to help.

We need to find common ground and respect their believes.

But internal fighting wont help us either so I will leave it there

So are oyu religious or agnostic?

Are you very into defeating aging?

I am for our any cause that progresses science and pushing towards advances in technology. I just don't believe it is black and white. I have friends who deeply religous but who respect my believes (or lack of them) and I have great conversations with them that help me broaden my thoughts on these very types of issues. These are the truely religous and despite different beliefs I still respect them and don't appreaciate you calling them bad people.

you haven't answered my words.

I'll answer it for him:

* I'm a strong agnostic, weak atheist, materialist, and nondenominational Buddhist.
* I strongly support defeating aging and other transhumanist causes.
* I think that talk like this serves no productive purpose and serves only to piss off the 90% (at least) of the world's population who is religious. Transhumanism needs all the good publicity it can get, and elitist attitudes are not helpful in any way, shape, or form. Do you want anti-aging technology to get banned because nobody listened to you because they thought you were an arrogant SOB?

EschewObfuscation:

I'll answer it for him:

* I'm a strong agnostic, weak atheist, materialist, and nondenominational Buddhist.
* I strongly support defeating aging and other transhumanist causes.
* I think that talk like this serves no productive purpose and serves only to piss off the 90% (at least) of the world's population who is religious. Transhumanism needs all the good publicity it can get, and elitist attitudes are not helpful in any way, shape, or form. Do you want anti-aging technology to get banned because nobody listened to you because they thought you were an arrogant SOB?

so you think I will only delay people's enthusiams to make defeat-aging faster? And people will think living as usual is the best?

Look Ps2Huang get the picture, it does not no one any good to attack religious people because of their beliefs. Firstly they are the majority. Secondly there are many good aspects to religious beliefs as it has been pointed before humanism is based on ideas forwarded by Christian philosophers. Thirdly you end up sounding as bad, as those religious people who attack science for no food reason.

You are not helping any body, only annoying people. Prejudice and intollarance is still as bad, if it comes from a religious or materialist point of view. And remember this site has public access and your views (it would seem from the responses) do not follow the majority. I am not sure that antagonistic views such as yours really do our cause any good.

Before you ask and for the record: I am 31 years old, raised by a protestant and avid atheist. I have been interested in a number of religions including Christianity and Paganism. Consider myself agnostic, if there is a God I am sure it is to busy to care what I am doing. I have friends who are religious, again Christians and Pagans as well as those who follow no religion.

Eschew. Thanks, that pretty much what I mean. I figured PS2 could read between the lines.

Last time you'll hear from me on this subject

ps2huang:

so you think I will only delay people's enthusiams to make defeat-aging faster? And people will think living as usual is the best?

Yes! The majority of religious people ALREADY think so (and if you don't see that, I want to know what utopia you're in), and have no enthusiasm to defeat aging. Our side, to succeed in any way, has to convince the religious majority of the goodness of our position, and it's hard to convince someone of your position if you're calling them evil and stupid.