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A known telepath

Last post 06-01-2008, 11:38 AM by RainBringsHope. 9 replies.
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    nextgennextgen is not online. Last active: 12-07-2007, 8:32 AM wrote 12-07-2007, 8:32 AM

    I’m wondering if there are any actual known cases of telepathy? I personally don’t believe that it is possible to read other people’s minds, however I think it possible that threw selective breading a person could been born or is already alive now that can project their own thoughts to an external source i.e. another human being . At any rate, If the world where to find such a human being, what uses do you think that could  make toward the research and development in science and technology?

    Sgaileach1Sgaileach1 is not online. Last active: 12-12-2007, 6:53 PM wrote 12-07-2007, 11:00 AM

    "Naturally" occurring? Very doubtful. However, we could build one...

    The implications?  An opportunity to experiment with new forms of direct-projected personalized propaganda to offset the waning impact of conventional population sedation techniques.
     
    A new weapon against ourselves.  A better monkey cell phone.  A brave new Borgian world.

    Combined with endless distraction gadgets of programmed obsolescence and a pill for that certain part of the male body and there's at least another few decades we don't have to worry about that pesky immortality research.

    Holistic thinking and sustainability is way too complicated after all, and it would cost far too much to clip the wings of these monopolistic multinational corporate crime syndicates in order to actually see them benefit the quality of life of the individual, assuming the average person had the faintest clue how to go about it. 

    It is a far more attainable task to simply cannibalize and sacrifice any who would dare speak out truthfully beyond the artificially generated "activism" and mindless "controversy" of popular media-induced "culture;" a chance to get a little slice for ourselves.

    So much easier to slip away into the soothing haze of a programmed time release auto-destruct sequence where we have to think as little as possible for ourselves, and get to feel somehow okay about all this in the process.

    That way we can focus on the real goal: to find as much short-term happiness as possible to the exclusion of all else, a desperate clawing at the void of our own hopeless cycles of self-defeat and directionless assumptions.

    Clearly this is the more responsible priority.

    ntrstrntrstr is not online. Last active: 01-02-2008, 9:23 AM wrote 12-08-2007, 8:50 AM

    It would make psychological research easier, because you could just directly monitor the internal perceptions of the person rather than have to rely on surveys.

    I could be mistaken about this next part, but i am fairly sure i am not mistaken.

    I am not sure whether this exists as a natural ability or whether the receivers or transmitters of the imagery must have some kind of technology to interface with the brain, but IMHO There are strange looking humanoids with flying saucers and they are able to control the internal and external imagery of some humans (maybe all humans for all i know) fairly directly.  I am pretty sure that they can read minds too, not just send.

    They seemed to have read minds. They responded immediately with the phrase" Oh no he is not angry" when a boy started to get scared when he heard one of them start grunting.  Maybe they were just so intelligent that they could see the fear on the boy's face.

    But regardless of whether they can read the mind of an unaltered human, it is clear to me that they have the ability or technology to cause a vivid voice to be heard in the mind of a human, so vivid that it is more vivid than that same human is able to imagine unassisted. This occurs while they are standing nearby, usually right in front of the person.  It is just like they are talking to the person except the voice is heard in the imagination very clearly rather than in the ears.

     Now if this natural ability or technology was availiable to both parties they could have a "telepathic conversation"
     

    gjbloomgjbloom is not online. Last active: 06-04-2008, 8:43 PM wrote 12-09-2007, 10:44 AM

    Let's think for a moment about how telepathy would have to work.  Human thought appears to be a coordinated firing of tens or hundreds of millions of neurons, each having a specific synaptic strength in each connection between itself and up to several dozen neighbors.  In order for the content of this neural activity to be relocated onto another neural net, one would have to record the activity of all the individual neurons, record the strength of each connection across each synapse, then translate all these activities and strengths to match the implementation of activities and connection strengths of the target network, so that the meaning of the activity would be correctly represented to the target.

     

    Someday, it may be possible that we can emulate the functioning of a brain well enough to make such a detailed measurement and translation to effectively communicate meaning across two brains.  But to imagine that there exists some sort of natural apparatus in our brains that enables us to not only encode and transmit the neural activities and connection strengths of the millions of neurons participating in a thought outward, but is also somehow capable of determining the configuration of the neural architecture that we are transmitting onto so that our transmission is able to reconstruct meaning in the target is, well, "a bit fanciful". 

     

    RanRan is not online. Last active: 05-21-2008, 1:07 PM wrote 01-28-2008, 2:53 PM

    Quick answer: No.

    There has never, ever been any scientific proof of any type of human telepathy.

    GrimStrikeGrimStrike is not online. Last active: 01-29-2008, 4:05 PM wrote 01-29-2008, 3:38 PM

    gjbloom:

    In order for the content of this neural activity to be relocated onto another neural net, one would have to record the activity of all the individual neurons, record the strength of each connection across each synapse, then translate all these activities and strengths to match the implementation of activities and connection strengths of the target network, so that the meaning of the activity would be correctly represented to the target.

     I wouldn't go quite that far. I say let the CPU do it's thing and just intercept the outgoing message. Whatever the nerve impulses are going out to the tongue, lips, lungs, vocal cords, and maybe a couple other things.
     

    gjbloomgjbloom is not online. Last active: 06-04-2008, 8:43 PM wrote 02-15-2008, 8:26 AM

    GrimStrike:

     I wouldn't go quite that far. I say let the CPU do it's thing and just intercept the outgoing message. Whatever the nerve impulses are going out to the tongue, lips, lungs, vocal cords, and maybe a couple other things.
     

    And do what with it?  In order to 'transmit' this thought, we'd still have to reconstruct the neural inputs corresponding to the receiver's sensory inputs.  Even being able to reconstruct the serial datastream that represents speech is only capturing a thin slice of thought.  Hardly what I'd call 'telepathy', though I suppose any parapsychologist would be thrilled to be able to manage that much.  And, yeah, having the neural equivalent of a walkie-talkie would be pretty cool, though a walkie-talkie would do the same job a lot cheaper. 
     

    Here's another way of answering the original poster's question of whether anyone has ever been shown to be telepathic:  If someone, somewhere were actually capable of telepathy (or any other 'paranormal' phenomenon), surely they would have availed themselves of James Randi's One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, which has been available at varying degrees of payout since 1964.  I'd say that human greed being what it is, coupled with 44 years of unclaimed prize availability offers us pretty compelling evidence of the lack of any demonstrable 'paranormal' abilities in anyone.  Of course, the psychics will undoubtedly rationalize this by claiming that the great spirit doesn't allow them to use their gifts for such crass purposes.  Yeah, whatever.

     

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    idealideal is not online. Last active: 30 Jun 2008, 4:26 PM wrote 02-27-2008, 12:30 AM

    If I were a telepath following money rather than some great goal for my abilities I wouldn't claim that prize.  It'd ruin your anonymity at the poker tables.

    TheseusTheseus is not online. Last active: 04-15-2008, 10:07 PM wrote 04-09-2008, 8:27 PM

    I've heard of instances of telepathy. It is only inconceivable if we regard consciousness as being dependent upon matter, rather than something that is manipulating matter. (I'm not speaking from a religious perspective there is plenty of evidence out there). There are practitioners of meditation who can literally 'hear' another's thoughts due to having trained their own minds in focussed and aware stillness to a high degree, so I presume that such persons might be able to consciously direct thoughts to each other.

    RainBringsHopeRainBringsHope is not online. Last active: 01-06-2008, 11:43 AM wrote 06-01-2008, 11:38 AM

    I've been working on that particular ability for a while now. I started realizing that my family and close friends could pick up on my thoughts very well. For example, my friends and I stopped at a gas station one day, and as he and his girlfriend went in to pay, I focused towards him and told him telepathically that I was thirsty. I told my friend who was sitting in the other seat that I hoped they'd get me something to drink (so I actually have three witnesses). They came out and had gotten me a soda. They told me that they figured I was thirsty, and I told them that I told the other one in the car that I was thirsty. 

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