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The challenge of ageless thinking

In a few weeks, I'll be turning 29. I realize that 29 is fairly young even by today's standards. But nevertheless, as someone admittedly obsessed with health and life extension, I've begun to increasingly think about aging as both a biological and sociological phenomena.

More specifically, I've become increasingly attuned to the age-whipped majority who seem to decline in both physical and mental vigour with each year past 30. This might be a harsh statement, and it's definitely a culturally biased overgeneralization, but I still feel that it's largely accurate. And so I've become motivated, partly by fear, to ponder the challenges of ageless thinking.

The biggest concern for me--right now, anyway--isn't maintaining my body in a youthful state. While this is definitely a concern, I feel able to adequately take steps in this direction, and mainstream society largely facilitates and encourages this behavior with widespread access to information and products aimed at youth restoration and maintenance. While many of these products are dubious, and others have only minor effects, I believe in the bridge hypothesis expounded by Ray Kurzweil, Aubrey de Grey and others: Each generation of life-extending interventions need only keep me alive until the subsequent generation in order for me to have an effectively indefinite lifespan. And given that I'm 29 and as far as I know in good health, I believe that, barring an unfortunate accident, there is a good chance for me to stay biologically youthful for a long period of time. (And yes, as a backup plan I am pursuing cryonics.)

But physiological challenges aren't the only challenges of life extension. While our culture encourages physiological youth extension, it provides little to foster ageless thinking. Rather, prevailing attitudes towards life progression outline a plan that largely consists of:
  1. Be young and explore.
  2. Grow up and focus.
  3. "Settle down" and take on family responsibilities.
  4. Retire and spend your declining years soaking the sun.
  5. Die.
And here is where the big problem lies. Because ultimately, aging is as much a psychological and sociological phenomena as it is a biological phenomena. This is particularly true as we develop increasingly more powerful antiaging interventions, because people's attitudes towards such interventions will have a direct effect on their physiological health.

And so I find myself looking for role models in weird places. I look to people such as Madonna who have managed to stay youthful (and, might I add, quite hot) in both body and mind, in the face of outside criticism. I've also started evaluating my social circle and identifying the people who appear to have detached themselves from society's depressing default life ladder on which living ends in your mid-30s, replaced by a slow march to the grave.

A good friend of mine, for example, is in his early 40s but is one of the youngest people I know. A bachelor, he works three days a week in health care, travels several months of the year, makes friends everywhere, dates constantly (and meets many interesting women who subsequently become friends), engages himself creatively with music, hosts great parties and is an all-around optimistic, open-minded guy.

I look at my friend's life and wonder how he's done it while so many others his age are burnt-out husks of human beings who plod through life rather than take it by the horns. I don't have the answers, but I know that there's a good chance they'll be strongly counter-cultural. And while I admittedly like being a ***-disturber and blazing my own trail, I sometimes wish there were wider encouragement for alternative lifestyles, ways of thinking, and ways of getting chronologically older without getting psychologically stultified.
Published Friday, April 14, 2006 3:58 PM by Simon
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advancedatheist wrote on April 14, 2006 7:27 PM

Neuroscientist Richard Sapolsky has written about how most people lose interest in novelty as they age:

When do we lose out [sic] taste for the new?
http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/qmss/newyorker.html

But his examples seem confused to me, because he lumps useful novelty together with meretricious novelty. It makes sense to incorporate novelty that addresses your real wants and needs, but not when it serves the desires of others (basically corporations trying to extract money from you.) For example, I see nothing wrong with ignoring the current trashy pop culture because the effort to learn about it wastes resources that you can put to better uses, and the information has a short shelf life any way. (The "Britney who?" era will start any day now, if it hasn't already.)

I, personally, will explore novelty when I see it has value. I turn 47 in November, and in the last decade or so I've learned to appreciate cats, jazz, coffee, PC's, the Internet, inventive problem solving (especially the Russian version called TRIZ), and even sushi -- Sapolsky's example of the kind of unfamiliar food shunned by Americans my age who didn't get into the habit of eating it in their teens or twenties. (I look forward to eating in a sushi restaurant in Phoenix the next time I drive down from the Colorado Plateau.) I've recently bought my first firearm (a Taurus Tracker .357 Magnum revolver) and I enjoyed an hour firing it at an indoor shooting range, a new habit I'll probably indulge in once a month from now on. (Cleaning it afterwards turned into a bigger chore than I expected.) I have other things I'd like to try, but I can't get to them right away because of time and money constraints.

I just don't understand the people who worry that they'll feel permanently bored if they live long enough. Given how children complain about "boredom" from time to time, we should have learned by now that the feeling doesn't mean that you've run out of reasons to live.
 

Fight Aging! (Trackback) wrote on April 15, 2006 1:31 AM

I'll say this for the younger adult crowd in the healthy life extension community: you 30 year olds are too damn optimistic about future timelines for healthy life extension technologies. The biggest concern for me--right now, anyway--isn't maintaining
 

urchinstar47 wrote on April 15, 2006 8:02 AM

Yes, that is a great problem concerning life extention, not just for you, but a global one. It might be interesting to look into other cultures with longlived people, and how they solve things. I seem to remember something about a society on an island in the Pacific with exceptionaly long lived people it might be interesting to look into their social structure for general insight, but other than that, I simply don't know. While it would be useful to keep a youthful brain, the atitudes are something else and represent something to work on, to be studied...
 

stupendousman wrote on April 15, 2006 1:15 PM

I'm 37. Due some helpful genes and, I think, exercising constantly from an early age(18) I look like I'm in my mid/late 20's. You can't do much about the genes yet but I think excercise is an important aspect to looking and more importantly feeling young. When I say excercising I mean free weights or machines, cardio- swimming or biking. Jogging is horrible for all of your joints and connective tissues. Since our emotional state is linked in many ways with how we feel physically having a strong limber body can only help combat what many see, and feel, as a constant decline. I've also been a
light eater so I haven't dismmised the idea of a restrcited diet. You can gain muscle mass while eating what many would consider a small amount. Protein powders are an excelent example of supplments you can use to achieve this.

Many people have said I act like I'm 18- I climb trees, run across the street instead of walk, play bass. I'm also work in a technically demanding job that
requires public speaking as well as writing, so I do act the adult when needed. All of my peers look like death warmed over. Excercise isn't something you do to get ready for the beach, it's a life long endeavor- but it pays dividends.
 

V wrote on April 16, 2006 7:31 PM

Today is my birthday and I'm turning a scary (to me) 39.  I find it hard to believe!  Where did those years go? lol  It's true that as you get older the time seems to go by at a much faster rate.

I think when it comes to "feeling I am going to really make it," I would say I would have to be around age 15 to believe I will succeed with the "bridge hypothesis."  But I am signed up for cryonics so I have a safety net (an uncertain one) in place.

I look back on my life and realize though I look younger than I actually am, that I could have done much better.  I should have eaten much healthier foods (not so much overly processed crap), made a point of getting enough sleep (so many diversions to rob us of sleep, such as work, TV, books, movies, games, friends, etc.), and I should have stayed out of the sun or at least made a point of always wearing sunscreen (I don't like the feel of it on my skin).  I also should have on a much more regular basis engaged in exercise.  I love running but I realize it is very hard on the joints.  

I think if there is one big item which life extensionists tend to overlook, is the vast importance of getting enough good sleep.  Scientists are finding the risks of developing diabetes and other ailments are much higher when a person is chronically sleep deprived.  And I bet cosmetic aging also is a big part of sleep deprivation.

I see in my mother and many in her generation, an almost subconscious belief that once in their forties it is "time to get old and let the body go to pot!"  My mother had been so amazingly fit in her twenties and thirties (gardening and bike-riding maniac!) but then just let herself go.  But now, at a much older age she at least goes for long walks many days.  And my father (long since separated from my mother) who was once quite athletic, stopped being physically active for the last decade or two, and now sorely regrets it because he may have permanently lost his ability to walk due to chronic illness.  And so I am very glad that there is awareness now that fitness is for all ages.  I'd love to see Jack LaLanne scolding both my parents for what they've done and whipping them into shape! lol

I understand about the "role-models in strange places" view.  Regarding Madonna, I saw a picture of her recently and nearly went ga-ga due to how her body has not so much aged as matured.  Often celebrities get criticized because they spend so much time and money on being physically fit, eating right, and looking good (which often includes cosmetic surgery).  I think up to a point they can be seen as examples of a focused mind, though I admit few of us have their level of resources to take care of ourselves.  

Simon, I was impressed by you sharing your personal insights about life and also talking about your friend who is quite the renaissance man.  But the great challenge for him (and all of us) is when we hit our seventies and eighties.  I have been told by older people that in in their sixties they still felt quite vigorous but when they hit their seventies they began to feel fragile and really lose their stamina.  Psychological weakness also often accompanies the physical decline of those years.  And that is sometimes why aged cryonicists lose hope and are taken advantage of by "friends" and family.
 
I think in our workaholic society many people find the very long hours they work, year after year, decade after decade, sucking the very life out of them.  In Japan people may just suddenly keel over, but in the U.S. I think it is more of a slow death.  And once people are locked into a profession and the responsibility of supporting a family, taking "the bull by the horns" to find personal fulfillment may not be so possible any more.  Simon, just wait till you get married and have kids! lol  Nope, I have a feeling you will be a "renaissance husband/dad" who will still lead the sort of life you want and simply take your family along for the incredible journey.  

I think if you lived in an area like San Francisco you might find more support for someone like yourself who blazes their own trail.  But fortunately we have the internet so we can at some level come together and support each other.    

Regarding not getting closeminded in our advancing age about exploring new interests, I will say I believe this to be important, but sometimes we overrate ourselves as being "open-minded."  I tend to think music is the big area where many people don't expand their horizons.  Scientific research seems to indicate our teen and early twenties brains imprint on the music of our youth and so it is harder later on to "expand our horizons."  I have known so many older folks who just cannot tolerate music not from their formative years.

I find this "journey into the future" we are all on as very interesting.  One reason I think we should really try to understand and appreciate each other here is that we may be spending many decades or even centuries and millennia rubbing elbows! lol

Best wishes,

John    
 

GrimJim wrote on April 16, 2006 9:07 PM

Chronic psychological stress which turns people into burned-out husks.  Struggling to meet a mortgage while raising children and maintaining at least detente with one's spouse while fending off demanding extended family members can easily bring people down, along with overwork. It may even erode away our telomeres. Cf. http://pub.ucsf.edu/newsservices/releases/200411227/
Keeping the mind youthful requires that stress be managed. It is plausible that dating a lot of people likely keeps relationship stress down to the level of stress experienced in having to hook up, since one can always exit a situation that turns stressful. Extroverts may have the advantage here over introverts, since they find social situations less intimidating. Similarly, financial and personal independence would contribute to stress reduction.
 

Mr. Farlops wrote on April 18, 2006 6:36 PM

Pop stars, because it's the mostly the kids who buy the tunes, generally have a strong incentive to present a look that keeps them relevent.

I think scientists might also be good role models for timeless thinking and behavior. I can think of a lot of professors emeritus, who still keep doing work and still keep their sense of wonder because they really love doing science. There might be exceptions to this but I often get the impression that famous scientists age a little slower than all the rest off, certainly mentally they do.

Musicians are a mixed bunch. Some of them self-destruct very early and yet some manage to get past those hurdles and their music keeps them mentally engaged, clever and mentally youthful. BB King said he'd sooner die than stop playing music. He really doesn't care if the kids don't think he's cool anymore. He's not in it for them.

There's a certain tenacity that needs to be held onto. You need to be free to do something that you love, that is challenging, that is not easy and that keeps you engaged. As long as it doesn't stress you so much that it kills you, it's probably good for you mentally. It may make you eccentric, but this is your life--who cares what other people think?
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I aim to understand, apply and develop science, technology and communications to achieve positive change. To this end, I am the owner and operator of Betterhumans, which I founded in 2002. I also work in interactive healthcare marketing, helping pharmaceutical and other healthcare organizations effectively use interactive technologies. Currently, I'm also working part-time on a masters degree at the University of Toronto in the history and philosophy of science and technology.
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