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The New Cold War

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The rapidly developing industry or robotics is quickly reaching commercial viability. Soon robots will be as common and necessary to everyday life as computers are today, but unlike computers, which are like brains in jars, and limited to purely computational work, robots are mobile and capable of doing physical labor. These machines are the ultimate beasts of burden, as long as we provide them with sufficient energy they can work endlessly to suit our needs. Eventually, as technology advances, robots could elevate humanity beyond physical mundane labor – to lives of luxury yet unknown.

Not everything about robots is bright and shiny though. There are social and economic hurdles that forestall robotic implementation in societies and as promising a future as robots can bring, their power if used unwisely could bring humanity to the brink of destruction. Like nuclear power, robots can be used for the benefit of humanity or as weapons of mass destruction. No one wants a robotic apocalypse, so what can be done to prevent it?

The first time humanity faced Armageddon was during the Cold War, a nuclear arms race between Communists lead by the USSR and Capitalists headed by the United States. These two economic systems had irreconcilable differences. Communism was expanding with the promise of government welfare and civil equality within the Iron Curtain, while Capitalism depended on international trade to maintain economic growth – something Communists wanted no part of. Many lives were lost in wars fought over economic policy, all the while the USSR and the United States developed increasingly more powerful nuclear weapons and stockpiled enough destructive force to destroy every man, woman, and child on Earth. The feud finally ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the creation of the World Trade Organization, which secured Capitalism’s place as the worlds dominant economic system.

There is a new Cold War unfolding around sophisticated robotic technologies and the complex economic ramifications of their application in society. In this war Communists have an advantage because their economic model that leaves business and property ownership to the government in exchange for institutionalized public welfare programs and basic amenities like food, clothing, jobs and housing, is suitable for the implementation of a fully robotic workforce. But Communist nations aren’t nearly as technologically advanced as their Capitalist competitors who have been leading the way in scientific research and development since the end of the space race and the fall of the Soviet Union.

Over the last twenty years, however, China has undergone significant changes and rapidly advanced into a formidable world power. In 2004 China shipped over 30 percent of Asia's exports of electronic goods and slipped past Germany to become the world's second largest exporter, just behind the United States. China already produces two-thirds of the world's photo copiers, shoes, toys, and microwave ovens; half of its DVD players, digital cameras, cement, and textiles; a third of its DVD-ROM drives and desktop computers; and a fourth of its mobile phones, TV sets, PDAs, steel, and car stereos. Taiwan, though not officially a part of China, is the leader in outsourcing to mainland China. Its companies have over 50 percent of the world markets for keyboards, motherboards, monitors, and laptop computers, as well as a significant portion of the worlds silicon chip refineries.

Today, depending on whether you convert Chinese yuan into dollars at the market rate or in terms of its domestic purchasing power, it is either the world's seventh largest economy or the second largest. The International Monetary Fund believes China can easily maintain a 7-8 percent annual growth rate for another decade and perhaps longer. At that rate, China's GDP by the most conservative measure would pass Japan around 2016 and could be approaching the size of the United States as soon as 2040. If you look at this in terms of China's domestic purchasing power, however, its GDP could be effectively as large as America's by 2025.

No taxes for 20 years, labor for 30 cents on the dollar, and government grants covering up to half of the cost to build new factories. This is what China has to offer - this is the new Communist threat; China has provided economic incentives to high-tech industries that make it nearly impossible to open shop anyplace else. Though Capitalists are likely to produce the first intelligent robotic systems, if robots are to be mass-produced they will undoubtedly be made in China. Furthermore, once robotic systems are commercially viable there will be nothing stopping China from fully automating their existing manufacturing plants. All of the labor currently outsourced to China will be done by automated systems paid for by the Chinese government, American corporations will rent these fully automated facilities and pay taxes to China because it would be too expensive to build them anywhere else without the assistance of government aid.

The Capitalist economic model isn’t designed to support a robotic workforce. Capitalism relies on selling a dream to people; it survives because people believe that buying nice things will make their lives better. Like a carrot dangled in front of a mule man toils in pursuit of riches while driving progress that knows no bounds. As robots reach economic viability around 2025 will they be used as a carrot, like cars or homes – things people need to have and work endlessly to afford, or will they be the mule and work instead of man to free humanity from the drudgery of labor entirely.

To replace human labor requires a replacement of the entire Capitalist economic system, because if people don’t work, what will we pay them for? Underdeveloped countries wont be as burdened by this dilemma. A small robotic workforce could potentially sustain the basic needs of their entire population and free the people to enjoy luxuries never before possible. This is a new dream – one similar to the Marxist utopia envisioned by Communists of the past - and it posses a threat to the very foundation of Capitalism as it exists today.

During the first Cold War mans faith in the Capitalist dream was so strong that it ripped-apart Communism and the largest country in the world, the USSR. Without economic and political flexibility its possible this new dream will bring the same fate to modern Capitalism by mid-century.

As technology continues to rapidly develop we need to ask ourselves what are we making this for. Everyday when we go to work we need to know what are we working towards. If Capitalists develop economically viable robotic technologies before they are socially and economically ready to implement them it’s possible that Communist countries will piggyback similar technologies and implement them fully into their societies. The efficiency of robots used properly would bring significant leverage to the Communist countries operating under these conditions and reek havoc on Capitalist economic systems in place around the world. There is no telling how Capitalists would respond to a new Communist threat if it jeopardized their standing as world powers, but survivors of the Vietnam and Korean wars know full well that is could get rather ugly.

Ultimately there are many possibilities for what life may be like in the near future, all of which depend on the answer to a question you need to ask yourself today. As technology advances to bring unimaginably powerful machines into everyday life, how will we use them – as leverage against each other or to elevate humanity into a new age of classless freedom?

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Published Friday, July 28, 2006 2:20 PM by Perdo

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dre.velation wrote on July 28, 2006 10:50 PM

First of all, this is a great post!  your writting skills are really awesome and profound.  But..... I know that you are just following the "scare" tactic of getting attention. (which i am opposed to)  It is unclear where you personally stand by reading this, and you have used more of a negative pesimistic tone througout the entire article.  but again, your writting skills are great, and you definetly bring up an extremely interesting point in my opinion.

My overall question is, How much does China hate us and why??  What do they want??  Why would they want to bomb us??

Perdo wrote:

"or will they (robots) be the mule and work instead of man to free humanity from the drudgery of labor entirely"

i'm pushing towards this.  Freedom of thought is what hopefully will seperate us humans from robots for all time.  And with our freedom of thought, we can put our minds to work on investment scenarios that will produce our money.  As for the average person people, they will probably.....ummm......do something like stuffing envelopes and living on welfare.  While the smart people make all the money for everyone.  (and of course have more money themselves)  Then the robots will be there for all of us, working for us, manufactoring for us etc.  And we will all just party and make music, and invest in technology, especially space travel.  Then we'll inhabit another planet and the cycle will continue.  

"and it posses a threat to the very foundation of Capitalism as it exists today."

Good!  Capitalism will have to evolve.  There are labor jobs out there that no robots can really do as well as humans e.g. hair cuts, cooking, radio talk show hosts, entertainment industry, gardening, police, child daycare, webmaster etc.  Robots will be here for us, building things and random labor, and all people will have to find new ways to make money and live the lifestyles they want.  Or else they'll be bums on the street begging for change and smelling like urine!!  But seriously, there's most likely going to be a point in the future where class seperation is going to be directly tied in with I.Q.  E.g.  High I.Q.'s are going to be the thinkers and economic organizers, and low I.Q.'s are going to be there, getting fat and growing old!!  My imagination is limited right now.  But I can say this, there is probably going to get to a point where the high I.Q.ers/Money makers are going to have to bite the bullet for everyone.  They are going to have to display extreme compassion and selflessness.  They will be the leaders of the world.  We're probably going to have to start agreeing more seriously and clearly.  but, as i see it, it's already happening right now.  People are way more open minded than they were in the 90's.  I remember people were really close minded and a lot more uptight in the 90's, and an article like this would have probably gotten tons and tons of negative comments bringing You to the point of being de-motivated.  Things have changed and are changeing.  We are all getting "cooler"/more understanding of one another, and being able to jump awareness levels faster and conversate on multiple levels at once etc.  So communication is naturally becoming more powerful.  Humans Will Survive!!!!!!!

Capitalism Vs. Communism

Will this war see an end?  Yes it will.  Freedom will win!!  It may get to the point that communist countries will be purely robotic populations (that's what they want anyway) and everywhere else will be Capitalism or Tribal!!!

I hope you can decipher the intellegence from the humor in my writing style.  Great article.

 

Perdo wrote on July 29, 2006 5:00 AM

Thanks for the complements dre.velation, I couldn’t have asked for a better first comment. You asked some good questions and brought up an important point about scare tactics in the beginning of your post. Yes I’m using scare tactics to motivate people into thinking about a not so distant threat. It wasn’t more than 20 years ago that Communism was the tyranny of all mankind, but now it seems almost entirely forgotten. It’s not a threat of death and war per-say but rather a threat to our economic system I’m afraid of/looking forward to.

dre.veration wrote:

“How much does China hate us and why?? What do they want?? Why would they want to bomb us??”

The quantity of hate that China has for the United States is a difficult thing to measure but it’s probably not enough to bomb us. Since the end of WWII and the invention of the Atomic Bomb war between powerful nations has become virtually unthinkable. World Trade has united the majority of the world and, in industrialized countries, in place of physical combat feuds are settled through economic means.

Japan settled its feud with the United States by economically smashing us in the 80s. Their factories were generations ahead of ours due to an intelligent implementation of robotics and they took full advantage of that. At that time virtually anything that was made in a factory was made in Japan, as U.S. companies laid off their workers and closed up shop. But that wasn’t enough for the Japanese, they wanted to hurt us bad so they went after the semiconductor industry, primarily VCRs, which was a bright new high priority industry in the United States at that time. In the mid-80s Japan engaged the United States semiconductor industry by selling their products in our foreign market below the price sold at home. This is the international equivalent of discriminatory pricing by a monopoly. Because of this, between 1984 and 1986 the U.S. semiconductor industry lost $4 billion and laid off 50,000 workers. This is called dumping and it is technically in violation of international trade law but for years nothing was done to prevent it because the American people liked having cheap electronic components, even if it meant disaster for the American semiconductor industry at large.

China is pulling a similar trick at this very moment. China is going to great lengths to draw high-tech industries into making factories in their country. Their government provides enormous economic incentives which make it nearly impossible to open a silicon chip manufacturing plant anywhere else but there. This means that in time the United States and the rest of the world will be completely dependant on China for virtually all sophisticated electronic components. This is a troubling concept that is made even more disturbing due to the fact that in spite of recent social advancements that have opened China up to a more socialist economic model, it is still technically a Communist country.

Communism was invented as a response to the uneven wealth distribution caused by the industrial revolution and the Capitalist economic system. Communists in the 1950s believed that technology at that time was sufficiently advanced that it could support an organized society with an equal distribution of wealth that would ultimately be a classless utopia. They were wrong, technology wasn’t nearly advanced enough to support people conformably without making tremendous sacrifices to verity and innovation.

Newly developing robotic technologies might give Communism a second wind and as China finds itself with all of the equipment for making robots and an ideal economic environment for implementing a robotic workforce it’s possible they may finally achieve what they set out to accomplish over 50 years ago. The question is, is that a bad thing? And what can we do to prepare for it?

I think the Capitalist scarcity based economic model needs to be seriously reevaluated as new technology makes abundance more available. I recommend looking into the North American economic science of Technocracy as a good start on a future economic model. http://www.technocracy.org/

 

GrimJim wrote on July 29, 2006 1:20 PM

I wouldn't peg China as Communist anymore.  China has been embracing capitalism while merely slapping a socialist label atop it.

http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/miyakodayori/057.html

 

Afn wrote on July 30, 2006 10:35 AM

Great post.

You raise some interesting questions about China. My viewpoint is China is not a threat to us in the USA. Citizens around the world want happy families, better medicine and higher standards of living. I think a global basic income will be needed once the intellectual, mechanical and technical details are solved that make intelligent robots in our society a reality. Once robots can perform physical work an industrial and domestic setting, our friends in China will make it a reality.

Basic income with affordable technology is post “-ism” and should be considered as the goal and ultimate goal of society before transhumanist technology creates octogenarians that look and act is if they are 25 and never die unless they have an accident.

 

GrimJim wrote on July 30, 2006 11:06 AM

China may be headed towards authoritarian capitalism.  Singapore may be a model of where they end up.

I'd also keep a watch on India.  They're also intent on keeping up with China, and are iincreasingly cooperating with China as well.  In this piece, the Indian representative spoke of "reshaping the world order" together with China.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43053-2005Apr11.html

 

Perdo wrote on July 30, 2006 6:34 PM

China is Communist and isn’t going to change its politics anytime soon. The country was only recently united over the last 50 years and although Communist economics didn’t serve the nation very well (as sufficient technology wasn’t available to make a welfare economy prosperous) the Chinese government made it abundantly clear during the protest at Tiananmen Square in 1989 that it isn’t interested in political reform. In response to the protests of that time China did revise its economic practices into something more socialist in nature though, and with that China has experienced unprecedented economic growth over the last 10 years. The Chinese government provides irresistible incentives to bring foreign manufacturing plants (especially high tech industries) onto Chinese soil. In 2003 China passed the United States as the number one recipient of foreign direct investment, $53 billion to $40 billion and with their enormous population will replace the United States as the world’s largest consumer within the next 50 years.

It is easy to see that China is prospering via Capitalism and the benefits of world trade but that doesn’t change the fact that fundamentally the Chinese government consists of Communists who are working towards the goal of eliminating the class division created by Capitalism and creating a classless Communist utopia. China is expected to come into a position of economic supremacy along the same time-scale as robots are expected to reach commercial viability. Robots should be an economically viable alternative to human labor in most manufacturing positions by 2025, China’s domestic market is expected to rival that of the United States by that same time. By 2050 China will be the worlds largest consumer and by 2050 robots could potentially have processing power and AI that rivals that of the human brain. If by 2025 China begins implementing robots into their factories, as Japan has already started doing today, it could potentially generate sufficient capital from laborless production to support the nation in a welfare economy the way Communism was intended to function. With that Communism could spread through the 3rd world with robotics elevating previously impoverished countries into self-sustaining high-tech nations.

This is a threat to Capitalism. Capitalist human labor is no match for Communist robots.

Check out the Communist Robot Manifesto for more info on the problem and possible solutions -http://communistrobot.com/index.php?page=&nav=1&article=1

And the Progress article to see a projected timeline for the future of robotics - http://communistrobot.com/index.php?page=&nav=1&article=2

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on July 31, 2006 12:30 AM

I agree with GrimJim, China is only communist in name now.

The ideologies of classical communism and capitalism are antiquated. They aren't relevent to today's world and its problems. All post-industrial powers have mixed market economies where politicians, citizens, consumer advocates, environmentalists, business owners and academics argue endlessly over the where to set the balance. As circumstances and technology changes, the balance has to be continually reset.

This is what our world is like now.

I think the more interesting thing to focus on is the automation of business management and investment. Can we replace executives and managers with software? Stockholders might favor such companies. Why not? Why pay a eight or nine figure salery to a glorified manager from some hyped business school, when they just turn the daily operation of the company over to a set of expert systems and other forms of artificial intelligence?

I'll laugh when that happens. I'll laugh long and loud!

 

Perdo wrote on July 31, 2006 5:17 AM

Mr. Farlops what you describe when you talk about the automation of business management and investment reminds me of a very interesting novella by Marshall Brain called “Manna.” http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

In the story a computer simulated management program that starts in the fast food industry ultimately spreads through the American corporate world and changes business in America forever. Ironically a similar program called Hyperactive Bob has already been implemented in a fast food chain called Zaxby's Chicken with over 300 restaurants across the southern United States. It’ll be interesting to see how all this unfolds.

The point I was trying to make in this article isn’t whether China is Communist or not, its that the Capitalist economic model isn’t designed to handle a robotic workforce. Just think about it, of course there will always be plenty of jobs and things for people to do even if robots take over the manufacturing of all commercial goods. Everyone could move into service industries like programming or customer service, which already accounts for about 70% of employment in the United States (and is being rapidly consumed by India just as China is vacuuming up the high-tech jobs India is taking over programming and over the phone tech support.) But should EVERYONE be required to move into these high-tech industries and continue working 8-hour day’s 5-days a week? Once robots reach commercial viability couldn’t that be an opportunity to allow people to have more leisurely lives, lives lived in pursuit of our dreams and personal aspirations outside of a Capitalist consumer culture. There doesn’t need to be ownership as it exists today if everything is made for free by robots, these concepts are entirely anti-Capitalist, more Communist in nature. Though they aren’t exactly true to the original Communist ideals they fit the aim of creating a classless utopia and could be adopted more readily by countries with faith in those notions.

This is an economic problem we may have to face in our lifetimes, and if not within our lifetimes than within the lifetimes of our children, so I think its at least worth considering. I simply feel that once robots are capable of doing all the necessary work to make society function at its current state then we should let them have our jobs and give everyone a vacation. Everyone could get the chance to take on some new project, whatever it is we’ve always meant to get around to but never had the time. Or even simpler, I don’t want to work along side robots, I want to sit by the beach drinking wine and looking sexy while robots do all the work for us.

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on August 1, 2006 6:18 AM

Perdo,

Wow! Mr. Brain's "Manna" starts off with a bang but, in my opinion ends rather weakly. His description of the Manna 1 sounds extremely plausable, almost as if he were writing a software spec. That Zaxby's is actually attempting something like Manna 1 only shows how reasonable and doable the idea is.

Where I think "Manna" loses its way is where the system grows steadily more repressive. My guess is that people will rebel and protest long before Manna-like systems become so widespread that people have no choice but to accept them or starve. People and, more importantly, unions will demand regulations of such systems that will moderate their more draconic aspects.

Initially, businesses in the post-industrial world, even if run with Manna-like software, will still have a hard time competing with the cheap wages of the developing world. I think this gives us some wiggle room to enact the reforms needed to avoid the repressive society Brain imagines at the end of his short story.

Also I'm skeptical that Brain's automated paradise at the end is really as simple as all that. My guess is that our future of ubiquitious automation will be some confusing medium between Brain's dystopic US and utopic Australia.

He does vaguely address the pareto distribution of wealth but I don't think he addresses it very well.

 

Perdo wrote on August 1, 2006 3:43 PM

I agree that the condition the United States ends up in “Manna” is a bit extreme. Someone or something would intervene before things got that bad… I hope. I think in the story Brain may have written such a grim fate for the United States in part as a scare tactic and in part to have that dichotomy of robots enslaving us or robots freeing us as in the Australia project.

I don’t think anything is going to be simple about forming an Australia project-like utopia, especially here in the United States, but it’s the future were talking about. It can be anything we want it to be, we just have to work hard to make it so. There will need to be drastic social and economic changes, but if we want to see a future like this in our lifetimes, or have an infrastructure in place for our children to grow up in a world run this way, we really need to start preparing for the changes that need to take place.

Marshall Brain has a lot of interesting ideas about the future of robotics and what this technology will bring to humanity in our near future. In some of the other writing on his site he talks in-depth about unemployment and the uneven wealth distribution found in Capitalist countries. Apart from his ideas, what’s interesting to me about Marshall Brain is that he’s rich. He invented How Stuff Works.com http://www.hotstuffworks.com and is towards the top of the curve in the Pareto distribution. As far as I know he’s the only rich guy actively engaging the social and economic issues presented by the future of robotics. Unless you guys are rich too...

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When you are born you are given one life, this life is regarded as the most important thing in the world. It will be stretched to its limits and treated with all the luxuries it can afford. If someone is given a single dollar and told to use it wisely normally they dont care too much and squander it without hesitation. If someone is given 6 billion dollars they will be overwhelmed with joy and are much more likely to make intelligent financial decisions. Its odd that people value a single life so much and a single dollar so little yet we spend most of our lives working to attain money and ignore the prospects in the people around us. Life is more valuable than money and its a far more useful commodity. There are roughly 6 billion people in the world, use them wisely. I’m making an effort to draw attention to robots and the technological, economic, and political effects they will have on our near future. For more information check out www.communistrobot.com
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