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A pitch for one facet shaping the context of the rest of your life - for what else is investment? - via Accelerating Future: "Few would rush to accept an offer of immortality if each successive year were to bring an ever-increasing burden of broken hips, memory loss, and incontinence. This may help explain why so many people find the thought of extreme life extension unpalatable; the best years are not usually represented by triple digits. Hence, those who actually intend to live forever usually know something about the technology that would make this possible. They understand how the same research that could ultimately conquer aging will also be critical to treating the ailments associated with it. This conclusion is not a difficult one; even today, the leading causes of death for people in their physical prime are not diseases, but accidents, homicide, and suicide. If the biological clock could be stopped or reversed, careful individuals could live in excellent health for a very long time. ... No single portfolio can ever right for everyone. But if you are interested in the possibility of living indefinitely - if the thought of going 'gentle into that good night' angers you - there are investments you can make."

View the Article Under Discussion: http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/?p=402
Read More Longevity Meme Commentary: http://www.longevitymeme.org/news/
Published Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:51 PM by Longevity Meme News and Commentary

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dagon wrote on April 19, 2007 1:26 AM

Back in the old days, when I was young, I was active in organizing a specific event, about 6 days every week, from early till late in the evening. This required me to engage in rapid social interaction with 20+ people, do complex maths, make late hours at bad food and engage in strenuous, highly creative and sometimes emotionally destructive activity.

I did that sometimes more than a week in a row, nonstop. It was a general level of performance and output I could barely match one day now I am 41. I am not a very strong person in long-endurance statements to begin with, something I can only unpredictable match with manic passion, but youth sure helped me shine.

A lost that. It was stolen from me.

This realization is quite acute, something that many people will have, is that after the age of 23 the bodily resilience declines steadily and beyond 35 ever more rapidly. Right now I compensate with fitness training, something which made me physically stronger than ever before in life. But mentally I can not sustain a level of productiveness I had years ago, a given which quite distresses me. I can't hold a job, even if I wanted to.

I wondered what kind of things I would be able to do if I had a biological age (and a biological brain) equivalent to a 20 year old, with the mind and knowledge I have today. Or the mind I will have in 20 years time. And I won't even speculate on a gene-therapy giving me the qualities of a fully *healthy* or "talented" person.

Most people out there remain stuck in the same groove of projecting the clearly experienced slow crawl in degenerative decay into the future. I tried to sway a few people in seeing it differently (in lengthy discussions) : I described them having their current mind but in the body that comes with late adolescence; unbridled stamina, health, mental vigor and almost limitless sexual passion (8+ orgasms a day! Jay!).

It's difficult but trying to imprint the combination of the two in the mind of people but once the picture clicks they say something like...

 "...oohh.. I would be dangerous! First thing I would do is party a few

 years... then I would... STUDY !"

And that realization is enlightening. People do not party (and have fun) to the degree they want to because their body can't handle any decent partying (and drugs) anymore. They don't study because, whats the use?

Mundanes know very well they are gonna die. However that degeneration get so bad they regard slipping away as euthanasia. Aging gets so bad they prefer to die at some point.

I even met a few people for whose life at 30 is already enough. They are willing to put up with a life lasting 60-70 years but beyond that, please let it stop. The latter type is generally the person holding dead-end jobs, with low wages and a lower education. They actually prefer to slip away into nothingness over what they have.

 

Sgaileach1 wrote on April 19, 2007 3:05 AM

Though I'm currently just 27 I feel much the same way.  What bothers me the most is that the ultimate deciding factor in all of this otherwise promising evolutionary potential is money, realizing the sort of people who have it now and whose actions or inactions have led us to this rather pathetic state of bottleneck and imminent collapse of so much of the natural world or those who can't afford a wall to hide behind will be the ones pioneering our move into space and immortality.

Of course this is a gross generality and there are many good people working hard to bring this about, its just rather disappointing to see so many of them falling now because they lack the financial resources to buy their way back into a system they helped create, ie my grandfather who worked with Kodak and Aerospace and helped design much of the optical infrastructure for early satellite positioning, surveillance, and guidance systems.  I'll never be able to ask him about his experiences in WWII or the military or what he would have liked to have seen come of our once thriving American space program.

I can't say I'd just let it all slip away though, I'm either too much an optimistic idealist or a coward to let that happen.  But I do work a dead-end job in debt with bogus student loans that got me nowhere but into a position where all I can afford to do is continue at it and pay the interest, feeling like all the real work and opportunity will forever pass me by.  I've contemplated suicide on numerous occasions but never been able to bring myself to it.  Still, the more I know the more the desperation and despair over all I will seemingly never be a part of, that being all I would ever truly wish to experience in this place, is indeed a rather maddening process to watch unfold.  

Seeing those lines getting clearer by the day is definitely not helping much, and having to be surrounded by mundanes who behave like angry, bitter, abusive psychic cannibals, combined with the sort of experimentation one expects in a world of capitalist piracy beyond accountability, and I can honestly say I am beyond disappointed in our ability to show compassion, to use this technology we already have to make life better for more than these broad sweeping generality demographics we seem to marginalize in our "charity" or "responsibility" as a modern society.

Still, I have this naive hope that somewhere out there is a society of like minded people who are actively engaging the world in an evolutionary prep-course, the equivalent of a modern day "jedi," that all this is somehow for a reason and I'll be better for having experienced it if I can just pull through, that one day I'll be granted access to all the security, information, and material means I require to become who I've been all along...

In my present capacity that's about the only thing that keeps me sane, and hanging on from day to day.  That and the prospect of maybe doing something with all these ideas, though when I would ever have the time to compile them is quite beyond me.  

 

Samildanach wrote on April 19, 2007 7:48 AM

I was in the same boat, I am lucky enough to work a job in 3rd line it support which is not completely unbearable (a bit boring) but not getting me where I want to be by any means.

I have been looking at online trading for about a year now and if you are looking for something that can get you far fast after you have mastered it I suggest you look at it in your free time. You can do it outside of working hours and the returns are exponential. I suggest you go to

https://fx1.oanda.com/v1.0/login.html

and create a demo account and read the forums there. You can start off with no money down for as long as you like to get a feel for it and then play with very little to start. I started with £100. If you feel like your life is going no where then from one transhumanist to another this is a great place to start if you are feeling dead ended. The forums have all the information you need.

 

Afn wrote on April 19, 2007 10:35 AM

My grandfather lived to 91, and I spent alot of time with him. His generation would not be able to handle the prospect of extended lifespans.

I hope in the next 30 years I age better than my father. In 30 years time we might have a complex nanobot solution to aging. If our generation does not do it, I hope the children that I intend to  father will get the opportunities that I never had or will have.

If life extension occurs, it will force societies to make all life worth living. The debate that we need an underclass to support progress, and that poverty and lack of technological or human resources are needed to create a dynamic humanity is false dogma.

I look forward to seeing the day where technology and medical nanobot repair systems change medicine and nanobot diagnostics are able to identify problems and repair my body without the trip to the hospital.

If I am in my 60's and nanobots are in my body, I can only think of how the simple nanobots that aid cellular function can be programmed to optimize cellular mitosis and grow the skin, organs, and bones of a 20 year old from the cells of a 60 year old.

Something to tell young people to work on. It is an IT and bio-medical problem worth solving.

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