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Zombie Dogs Bring Us One Step Closer to Reanimation

I just saw the following at News.com.com.com.com.com:

U.S. scientists have apparently discovered a way to reanimate dogs that have been clinically dead for three hours, a process intended for future human trials.

A new scientific approach tested at the Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research, based in Pittsburgh, drains some of the animal's blood and replaces it with an ice-cold salt solution. The dog--considered technically dead without a heartbeat or brain waves--is then revived with a blood transfusion and electric shock up to three hours later. The process, called "suspended animation with delayed resuscitation," is ultimately designed to help suspend and revive emergency victims, such as casualties of war or car accidents, who have experienced an otherwise lethal hemorrhage.


(That's pretty much everything of interest in the article. It was really really really short. Sorry about the plagiarism.)

I found this to be rather interesting from the stance of someone looking for hope in cryonics. Sure, this is short term (~3 hours), but how long will it be before longer time periods are attempted?

My biggest concern here is how much of the memory and personality of the person (or animal) being reanimated changes over a given period of time. With that in mind, there are a few other rather pressing questions which should be taken into consideration at this point (or sometime soon):

1) Am I correct in presuming that unless otherwise indicated, should someone face a situation in which they have to undergo this procedure, should this therapy be available, that this method will be applied by default to the patient?

2) If the answer is yes, then the question becomes at what point do we give up and let the person die? Or do we simply keep the person de-animated perpetually, on the hopes that a "fix" will appear in the near future? What is society's moral obligation in this case? Is there a moral obligation to go either way?

3) How is this likely to affect legal decissions regarding assisted suicide in cases where a person has an as-yet incurable disease? I'm not talking about someone who's depresed and may be mentally unbalanced, but a person with, say, lung cancer which begins to spread to the brain? If that person chooses a form of assisted suicide in order to be given this treatment -- how would current laws apply to that person, and how, given this development, will those laws be affected?

4) If you were in that situation (being de/re-animated), but you knew that you would lose all memories and suffer brain damage as a result of the treatment, would you want to go through this yourself? (Wouldn't the avoidance of this be the very reason the person with brain cancer would want this done?) What moral obligation would society have to re-animate you, given that you would essentially be a burden upon your family/the state? Is the utilitarian argument of usefulness applicable here or does the intrinsic value of human life take precedent?

Your thoughts would be most appreciated.
Published Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:26 PM by gnorb

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Astromancer wrote on July 12, 2006 11:13 PM

From what is described, the main use of this technique will be as an extreme form of anaesthesia, not a means to revive the dead that have been laying around spoiling. What's described sounds very useful for complex, tricky surguries involving the heart, brain, or complex transplants.

As the doctors putting someone in this state will be using it as the best means to get the patient alive through the operation, I assume it wont be use unless the risk and expence are warented.

I see nothing in this that sound like it's all that elective.
So yes to question One. If you need to survive hellishly aweful surgury, this will be required.

Question two is like any other heart, brain, or transplant, surgury. If you're willing to go through hell to get your life back, and this new tool might make the whole thing less hellish, yes we allow people to go through it.

As to Q3, people can refuse today's treatments. Even if tomorrow's treatments are weirder but less aweful, they could still be refused.

As to Q4, any form of anaesthesia that did that much damage would be outlawed.
 

gnorb wrote on July 13, 2006 8:04 AM

"As to Q4, any form of anaesthesia that did that much damage would be outlawed."

Well then, that takes care of that...
 

Mr. Farlops wrote on July 13, 2006 8:26 AM

In the case of question four, if the brain damage and memory loss were unavoidable, obviously no one would want it.

But the thing about cryonics is that many pains are taken to reduce the damage from freezing and preservation as much as possible. The theory goes that nanoscopic robots will then repair whatever molecular damage remains upon reviving you.

I don't know if what has been done with these dogs really maps that well to cryonics in general.
 

Dynastius wrote on July 13, 2006 4:30 PM

Mr. Farlops,

You are correct that this doesn't apply directly to cryonics. However, it certainly helps to show that "death" as it is currently defined is too limited. These dogs had no heartbeat, no breathing and no brainwaves, yet were able to be brought back to "life".

These animals were not dead, but would be considered dead by current medical standards. The reason it worked was because damage normally caused by the loss of heart/lung function was prevented. (as I'm sure you are aware.) This helps promote the concept of information theoretical death.

Advances like this help show how preserving brain structure or limiting damage of said structure in cryonics could work.  I showed this article to someone who is not into cryonics or transhumanism. She knows of my plan to be cryonically suspended though. She immediately thought it showed progress in cryonics because, it showed that "life" could be suspended for a significant period of time and then restarted in a mammal.

 

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Norbert 'Gnorb' Cartagena is a writer currently working in the computer and housing industries. He has been working in and focused on open source projects, news, and information since 1999. He spends spare moments reading, exercising, and blogging. You can find some of his writings at Gnorb.NET.
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