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Shostak: Is SETI Barking Up the Wrong Tree?

Seth Shostak is once again trying to justify the work of SETI. But seeing as that's his job, it's to be expected. He has to perpetually defend the work of SETI to secure public support and funding.

Shostak notes that there are four primary suggestions as to why SETI hasn’t found a signal:
1. “You’re counting on the aliens using communication technology (radio, light) that’s oh-so-last century. They will be far beyond this.”

2. “If hi-tech societies or thinking machines were out there, they’d have colonized the Galaxy by now. Clearly, we’re alone… lone… lone.”

3. “The aliens don’t want to communicate with us. Look at what we’re doing to the planet!”

4. “You SETI types are just looking in the wrong places. We know where the extraterrestrials are: on a planet in the Zeta Reticuli system.”
Reasons #1, #3 and & #4 are useless, but #2 is one I'm partial to. As I've written before, the apparent dearth of ETI's in our galaxy is a disturbing observation.

In response to suggestion #2, Shostak writes:
This is, of course, an appeal to the Fermi Paradox, which assumes that if sophisticated societies are common, they should also be ubiquitous. Well, I just checked the parking lot outside the Institute, and I see no large animals with long, prehensile noses. The conclusion a la Fermi is that elephants don’t exist on this Earth, right? After all, any putative pachyderms have had plenty of time to get to my office, even if only a few of them are so inclined. To use the Fermi Paradox as a reason for the lack of a SETI signal is to make a very big extrapolation from a very local observation. Seems chancy to me.
This is a surprisingly weak answer from Shostak who has clearly misinterpreted the FP. No one is arguing that elephants should be ubiquitous. If we thought, for whatever reason, that elephants should occupy specific ecospaces on Earth, but they don't, then that would be a sort of observational conundrum much like the FP. I don't expect this, so I don't see this as a problem.

On the other hand, our expectations of AETI migratory behaviour and their potential megascale engineering projects are a horse of a different colour. The FP is about the absence of evidence when there should be evidence. And Shostak knows this; otherwise he wouldn't be pointing his radio arrays at the sky. It would be a convenience of the highest order if the first signs of ETI life were to be discovered now.

Shostak and others are guilty of grossly underestimating the characteristics of post-Singularity AETI's. Those, like Shostak, who dismiss the FP betray a misunderstanding of the potentials of artificial superintelligence, radically advanced computing and such technological artifacts as Von Neumann and Bracewell probes. And as usual, these dismissals fail to take into account the extreme age of the universe and the huge expanse of time that has preceded our own.

That said, Shostak may be (inadvertently) right about ETI localization. As argued by Cirkovic and Bradbury, AETI's may migrate from a biological habitable zone to a technological habitable zone -- one more conducive to megascale information processing projects like matrioshka and Jupiter Brains.

But Shostak and SETI, I'm sure, aren't considering these types of scenarios. My advice to SETI: keep on listening, but don't expect to hear anything.

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Mr. Farlops wrote on July 23, 2006 10:11 AM

I don't see how you can dismiss number one as useless. It implies that it might be possible that most technical cultures eventually, perhaps even quickly, find better ways to communicate over intersteller distances than radio. Just because we don't know that means yet doesn't mean we won't figure it out later.

Or maybe there is no better means. The point is we don't *know* yet. That's why we have to keeping looking. Without evidence to check our guesses, speculation is useless. (It's interesting that SETI can be, in a very indirect way, a check on our understanding of physics--maybe relativity and quantum mechanics aren't the last word.)

I do agree that four is not a good objection, because we *are* looking everywhere. The reason why SETI@home is so CPU intensive is that it's scanning through and doing fourier analysis on *terabytes* of radio telescope data from *all* directions on the celestial sphere and over a huge number of freqencies. Our signal analysis programs are also getting better and better. Something will eventually turn up but, again, we have to keep looking.

Three is not a good objection either because it assumes that all stellar civilizations think and act the same way. We have no evidence at all to support such speculation. There only have to be a few exceptions to break the cosmic quarentine rule. But the point is we don't really know so, again, we forced to return analyzing the observational data we have.

Objection two is not as strong as you might think. It took a very long time before high intelligence to emerge on the Earth. Assuming mediocrity and assuming that our estimation of the age of the universe is accurate, this implies (but doesn't make *certain*.) that the oldest civilizations are still just starting out in their task to turn the rambling wilderness of the universe into a cosmic subdivision filled with highways and fast food signs.

But again, we don't really *know.* That's why we have to keep looking.

This analysis is nowhere near complete. We haven't searched every rock in the solar system. We haven't sifted through all the dust in the biosphere for alien nanomachines. We haven't sifted through all the radio data. There could be a billion year old ruin of a hotel on the Moon that we just haven't found yet. We're aren't finished yet! Patience!

 

CP wrote on July 24, 2006 1:16 PM

We should keep at least some level of listening going because we just don't know whether there's anyone there or not. To state that they must be too advanced to use our methods or are disgusted by our behavior is simply generalization based on the self-hatred that's been so popular during the last century and continues today. A preconception we must shed.

It seems likely to me that life forms we can communicate with electronically are rare, but I admit I don't know. Since we don;t know, it's worthwhile to keep listening.

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Canada's leading futurist, activist and award winning blogger, George has written and spoken extensively about the impacts of cutting-edge science and technology. He is the Director of Operations for Commune Media, an advertising and marketing firm that specializes in marketing science. George has more than 10 years' experience in media, arts and communications. With relationships forged across several continents, he has managed international accounts for leading brands. In addition to his work with Commune, George is currently serves on the Board of Directors for the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. He is the co-founder and president of the Toronto Transhumanist Association and has served on the Board of Directors for the World Transhumanist Association. George has been interviewed by such publications as The Guardian, the BBC, Radio Free Europe, and Beliefnet. He made an appearance on the CBC's The Hour and has been profiled in NOW and This Magazine.
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