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Things that should make cryonicists go "Hmmmm"

At the TTA's recent cryonics talk by Allan Randall, a couple of interesting issues cropped up -- some I had considered before and some I hadn't.

For example, in order to be able to afford a cryonics contract, most people put out a second life insurance policy and name their cryonics company as beneficiary. You die, and Alcor or the Cryonics Institute get the money.

Er, except for one small detail: you're really hoping that you're not actually dead, so one could make the case that you're engaging in some kind of fraud scheme. Just who exactly might contest this? Well, the insurance company for one.

Thinking about it, though, this may not be cause for concern. Perhaps the insurance company won't be around in your future Drexlerian cyborg world. Or, they may not even care so long after the fact. Moreover, insurance companies are aware of what they're getting into and what their client's intentions really are -- so there's no overt fraud being committed.

Another issue brought up at the meeting was the 'right to death' issue. While on the outside it might seem antithetical for a hopeful cryonaut to endorse voluntary euthanasia, it is in fact an issue that is very pertinent.

Suppose you come down with Alzheimer's. As someone who hopes to preserve their brain in the most pristine manner possible, the thought of undergoing an illness that rots away at your most precious resource should be frightening to say the least. Consequently, it could be argued that it should be within your rights to commit suicide prior to the point where Alzheimer's irrevocably starts to damage your brain.

So, as I've argued before, fight for your right to die.

Finally, if the idea of being a cyborg or an uploaded consciousness living in a fully immersive virtual reality seems unappealing to you, you should probably reconsider cryonics. At the very least, you may wish to note your inhibition in your cryonics contract and request a 'do not reanimate' condition if either of these types of existences are your only options. But IMO, the idea that you're going to wake up back in your old biological human body is laughable at best, so you'd best brace yourself for a posthuman future.

Cross-posted from Sentient Developments.
Published Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:00 PM by George

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Fight Aging! (Trackback) wrote on April 14, 2006 1:10 AM

The Toronto Transhumanist Association recently hosted a talk on cryonics, the practice of low-temperature storage of the body and brain after death. Cryonics is an educated gamble on the capabilities of future medicine, and the only sensible, scientific
 

advancedatheist wrote on April 14, 2006 1:51 PM

You deanimate according to the actuarial table, so the insurance company has on average made a profit from having you as a customer. I don't see where the "fraud" part comes in.
 

Find life insurance at the best price | Major Insurance Provider: (Trackback) wrote on April 15, 2006 5:04 AM

 

urchinstar47 wrote on April 15, 2006 7:48 AM

AFAIK the contract with your life insurance is only to cover the costs of suspension, not reanimation.

Other than that, you are right.
 

mike2050 wrote on April 15, 2006 6:21 PM

The insurance companies New York Life and Kansas City Life have already paid on policies held by cryonics patients who "deanimated." If (or as we hope, when) these patients are revived, the insurance companies are extremely unlikely to claim fraud, since at the time these policies were issued the companies had no precedent of revival from cryonic suspension on which to rest any such claim. Also, these companies issue so-called "universal" life insurance policies that are designed to provide both term coverage in case of death and, if that does not happen, a cash payout after a specified length of time. I have both types of insurance: a cryonics policy and a universal life policy. The former covers my eventual cryonic suspension, while the latter provides a retirement pay-out when I turn 65.
 

Mr. Farlops wrote on April 16, 2006 12:55 AM

George writes, "Finally, if the idea of being a cyborg or an uploaded consciousness living in a fully immersive virtual reality seems unappealing to you, you should probably reconsider cryonics. At the very least, you may wish to note your inhibition in your cryonics contract and request a 'do not reanimate' condition if either of these types of existences are your only options."

But why would they ("They" being the powers that be in the future world.) restrict you to those two options? If nanotechnology can reverse the freezing damage to your cryoprotectant-doused, vitrified brain, it can also grow you another human body to house it. Will there be such resource shortages in the future that they'll prevent people from having a few more centuries in rejuvenated human bodies?
 

George wrote on April 16, 2006 10:46 AM

Mr Farlops writes: "But why would they ("They" being the powers that be in the future world.) restrict you to those two options? If nanotechnology can reverse the freezing damage to your cryoprotectant-doused, vitrified brain, it can also grow you another human body to house it. Will there be such resource shortages in the future that they'll prevent people from having a few more centuries in rejuvenated human bodies?"

Well, in my mind, the "unaging" rejuvenated body will be for all intents and purposes a cyborg one. I strongly believe that the battle to end aging is really a battle against our frail, suseptible and aging biological components. Essentially, creating a old fashioned biological body would be like creating a Model T when everyone else is zipping around in Ferraris.

Second, in the future uploaded societies may be the only *real* societies in which to engage in.
 

Mr. Farlops wrote on April 16, 2006 3:55 PM

Ah, my misinterpretation. We are actually talking about the same thing then.
 

CP wrote on April 17, 2006 8:17 AM

There, you see, money is the real problem even if it does become possible to freeze without permanent damage and to bring the patients back to life and cure them.
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Canada's leading futurist, activist and award winning blogger, George has written and spoken extensively about the impacts of cutting-edge science and technology. He is the Director of Operations for Commune Media, an advertising and marketing firm that specializes in marketing science. George has more than 10 years' experience in media, arts and communications. With relationships forged across several continents, he has managed international accounts for leading brands. In addition to his work with Commune, George is currently serves on the Board of Directors for the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. He is the co-founder and president of the Toronto Transhumanist Association and has served on the Board of Directors for the World Transhumanist Association. George has been interviewed by such publications as The Guardian, the BBC, Radio Free Europe, and Beliefnet. He made an appearance on the CBC's The Hour and has been profiled in NOW and This Magazine.
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