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This Is Where Genetic Engineering Will Help -- As I Said

Dr Paul Irwing: 'There are twice as many men as women with an IQ of 120-plus'
Interview by Nick Jackson
Published: 30 November 2006
Dr Paul Irwing is a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University. He claims that men are more intelligent than women.

All the research I've done points to a gender difference in general cognitive ability. There is a mean difference of about five IQ points. The further you go up the distribution the more and more skewed it becomes. There are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women.

I don't know why this is, all I can say is that we have a huge amount of data.

In my 2005 paper in the British Journal of Psychology we looked at 22 surveys sampling 20,000 university students. In 21 out of the 22 studies males always had an advantage. That's a lot. We ignored the survey from Mexico because the results were consistent with a university that was extremely selective with respect to females. Why did Steve Blinkhorn call our research "flawed and suspect"?

The results of both studies were a shock to me. I find prejudice abhorrent. I've always taught sex differences from a left-wing point of view, that women are every bit as good as men. My findings don't fit my view of the world at all. Girls often do better than boys at school. There has to be some female compensating factor, most importantly the ability to process speech sounds, which means women read faster and more accurately and have an advantage in basic writing tasks. And women work harder than men and are more conscientious so they do things technic-ally correctly. Men are often quite original but deficient in what is technically demanded.

Historically women have been discriminated against. They've made tremendous progress and some people feel findings like this are a kick in the teeth. I have sympathy for that, but only people who know virtually nothing about IQ tests claim they have a cultural bias. All IQ tests are thoroughly tested and adjusted for bias, so if anything IQ tests are biased in favour of women not men.

People should have equal opportunities but if you want a society where everyone feels satisfied you're not going to find men and women doing the same things in the same proportions. It would help if we recognised that.

Dr Paul Irwing is a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University. He claims that men are more intelligent than women.

All the research I've done points to a gender difference in general cognitive ability. There is a mean difference of about five IQ points. The further you go up the distribution the more and more skewed it becomes. There are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women.

I don't know why this is, all I can say is that we have a huge amount of data.

In my 2005 paper in the British Journal of Psychology we looked at 22 surveys sampling 20,000 university students. In 21 out of the 22 studies males always had an advantage. That's a lot. We ignored the survey from Mexico because the results were consistent with a university that was extremely selective with respect to females. Why did Steve Blinkhorn call our research "flawed and suspect"?

The results of both studies were a shock to me. I find prejudice abhorrent. I've always taught sex differences from a left-wing point of view, that women are every bit as good as men. My findings don't fit my view of the world at all. Girls often do better than boys at school. There has to be some female compensating factor, most importantly the ability to process speech sounds, which means women read faster and more accurately and have an advantage in basic writing tasks. And women work harder than men and are more conscientious so they do things technic-ally correctly. Men are often quite original but deficient in what is technically demanded.
Historically women have been discriminated against. They've made tremendous progress and some people feel findings like this are a kick in the teeth. I have sympathy for that, but only people who know virtually nothing about IQ tests claim they have a cultural bias. All IQ tests are thoroughly tested and adjusted for bias, so if anything IQ tests are biased in favour of women not men.

People should have equal opportunities but if you want a society where everyone feels satisfied you're not going to find men and women doing the same things in the same proportions. It would help if we recognised that.

http://education.independent.co.uk/higher/article2024763.ece

 

Published Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:54 PM by CP

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Mr. Farlops wrote on December 1, 2006 1:26 AM

1) IQ measures a very narrow range of mental abilities.

2) It is a mistake to assume that IQ measures general intellectual ability.

3) A mean difference of about five IQ points actually doesn't say as much as Dr. Irwing would hope. He's sensationalizing.

Yet another CP delusion dismissed. Next.

 

CP wrote on December 1, 2006 7:01 AM

Anyone who doesn't like it can address the coments to Dr. Irwing. This isn't my statement, it's an article lifted from the news.

Are you guys threatened by female intelligence? And want to be sure they're prevented from catching up if these results are accurate? Why else would you attack someone who wants to remedy the situation?

 

Afn wrote on December 1, 2006 9:10 AM

Any IQ test is narrow to the point of absurdity. You could know advanced training in esoteric, technical  or professional fields and your standard IQ test does not measure any of those knowlege bases.

 

CP wrote on December 1, 2006 1:14 PM

Of course an IQ test wouldn't measure knowledge in esoteric fields. It's intended to measure general reasoning ability, not education in specific areas.

You probably meant to say someone with dyslexia could be smart but give scrambled test answers, which is true but irrelevant.

I am not one of the persons who compiled the data. I am merely saying that if it's true we could probably correct the situation in a few generations once genetic science is more advanced.

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on December 1, 2006 7:40 PM

"Are you guys threatened by female intelligence?"

No.

I'm sure most of the gals out there ain't threatened by male intelligence either. We all have different strengths and weakenesses. Takes all kinds to make a world.

"Why else would you attack someone who wants to remedy the situation?"

Because there is no "situation." You're quoting a single periodical (Which is not a peer reviewed professional science journal.) who's quoting a single researcher's work and trying to make a "situation" out of it.

 

CP wrote on December 1, 2006 10:27 PM

I just thought maybe you wouldn't want to make them smarter because it upsets you when you meet a really smart one.

But what will you do if more evidence like this appears from various studies in different countries?

 

EschewObfuscation wrote on December 3, 2006 2:25 PM

Actually, most studies show that men's IQ variance is greater than women's, so there are more men at both very high and very low IQs.

And 5 IQ points is going to be nothing compared to the advantage given by genetic/technological intelligence amplification. Better to talk about curing human stupidity, rather than women's slightly-less-intelligence.

 

Afn wrote on December 4, 2006 1:36 PM

Human stupidity is everywhere.

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