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I Knew It All Along

Bulletin -- Men Invented Humanity
By William Tucker
Published 10/10/2006 12:07:42 AM

Time magazine did one of those Evolution updates last week, "How We Became Human," on its cover. There wasn't too much new -- just how little we differ genetically from chimpanzees.

Yet there was one sentence that stood out like a lightning bolt. It has enormous implications for understanding how human societies evolved and why they sometimes find it difficult to get along with each other. Here it is:


[T]he principle of gene-by-gene comparison [between species] remains a powerful one, and just a year ago geneticists got hold of a long-awaited tool for making those comparisons in bulk. Although the news was largely overshadowed by the impact of Hurricane Katrina... the publication of a rough draft of the chimp genome in the journal Nature immediately told scientists several important things. First they learned that overall, the sequences of base pairs that make up both species' [i.e., humans and chimps] genomes differ by 1.23% -- a ringing confirmation of the 1970 estimates -- and that the most striking divergence between them occurs, intriguingly, in the Y chromosome, present only in males.

Did you see that? It deserves much more attention than Time was willing to give it. Basically, the point is that, in crossing the little evolutionary distance that exists between chimps and humans, most of the changes occurred in males. In other words, what differentiates us from our mammalian relatives is changes that have occurred in the male of the species.

Actually, this is not news. Evolutionary anthropologists have long been aware of it. As far back as 1972, Elaine Morgan, a feminist, writing in The Descent of Woman, noted that in fact the role of females hadn't changed much from chimp to human. Mothers nurse and care for their offspring in basically the same way chimps do. In terms of social role, there really isn't much difference between human females and other animals.

What has changed is the role of males. Among chimps, males hang out in groups, form alliances, forage together, and do a lot of bickering over status. They do not participate at all in child rearing. By the time hunting-and-gathering tribes arrive, however, men have been folded into the family. Monogamy predominates and both parents participate in child rearing. The extraordinary innovation is "fatherhood," a role that doesn't really exist elsewhere in nature.

Last March in The American Spectator I wrote an article entitled "The Alpha Couple and the Primal Horde," speculating how this transformation might have taken place. Without recounting the whole argument, let's review some of key ways in which chimp society is unique among other mammals and how it might have evolved into human society.

One very unusual quality about East African chimps -- our closest relatives -- is that they are patrilocal. While females usually form the backbone of most mammalian societies, chimp troops are built around closely related males. They form a "brotherhood" that defends territory and keeps a population of females within its borders. (Interestingly, dolphins, the other species that most closely matches human intelligence, do the same thing.) Females usually stay within their native group but sometimes migrate to other troops -- something that males never do. In addition, these male bands occasionally go to war with neighboring troops, expanding their territory and capturing other females.

This social pattern does not even predominate among other chimp species. The notable example is the bonobo or "pygmy" chimps, a slightly more distant cousin of ours that lives in the deepest jungles of Central African. Among bonobos, females predominate and males out-migrate. The "sisterhood" of females is the core structure -- just as in most mammalian societies. Males even draw their rank from their mothers and are often physically defended by them, even after reaching maturity.

Bonobos are an easy-going species that indulge constantly in sex, both heterosexual and homosexual. In fact, ethnologists describe bonobo sex as a form of social conviviality that keeps tensions at a minimum. Frans de Waal, a Dutch scientist who has written extensively about bonobos, continually holds up this female dominance and the relative placidity among bonobos as a negative contrast to human society. Writing in Scientific American, he says:

At a juncture in history during which women are seeking equality with men, science arrives with a belated gift to the feminist movement. Male-biased evolutionary scenarios -- Man the Hunter, Man the Toolmaker and so on -- are being challenged by the discovery that females play a central, perhaps even dominant, role in the social life of one of our nearest relatives. In the past few years many strands of knowledge have come together concerning a relatively unknown ape with an unorthodox repertoire of behavior: the bonobo.

In fact, the discovery of bonobo society proves just the opposite. It is precisely because females play a dominant role and males are so passive and unambitious that bonobos did not produce an evolutionary line that led to human beings. Instead, they remain a relatively minor, underpopulated species holding their orgies deep in the jungle. The larger East African chimp, where males predominate, produced the line that led to humanity.

What is it about this "male brotherhood" that points the way to human evolution? First of all, male chimps have learned to work with each other in co-operative effort -- something nearly all other species don't do. Chimps have very rigorous rules about sharing females. Each male is allowed to mate with each female. As Sarah Blaffer Hrdy, author of The Woman Who Never Evolved, has pointed out, this "confuses paternity," allowing each male to think that a female's offspring might be his own. This dampens sexual jealousy and eliminates the very cruel practice in other species where an alpha male will kill off any rival male's offspring in order to put females to work in producing his own.

Most important, male bonding enables chimps to practice cooperative hunting. Meat constitutes about 10 percent of their diet -- a figure that would rise steadily as humans evolved. Jane Goodall describes a scene where a troop of male chimps was foraging in the trees among a group of monkeys. Almost imperceptibly, without any overt signals, the chimps moved into positions where they had one young monkey isolated on a tree branch. Suddenly they pounced and killed him, sharing the meat. It is easy to see how chimp troops could have taken such skills onto the East African savannah, where the earliest human evolution occurred. Human tribes did not become big-game hunters for millions of years but they probably survived as scavengers and hunters of small game in the earliest stages. In an environment where rivals and predators were swift and common, this male cooperation was the only hope of survival.

As I outlined in "The Alpha Couple and the Primal Horde," in the new savannah environment, the crucial key to keeping a group of males together while avoiding sexual jealousy would have be monogamy. The chimp ritual of having every ovulating female mate with every male -- which often takes more than a week -- would be too distracting and time-consuming in the much more dangerous savannah environment. Nor would reverting to polygamy solve the problem. Polygamous species such as the gorilla form "harems," where a dominant male collects a large number of females while subdominant males are pushed into an isolated "bachelor herd." This works for the powerful gorilla, which has no natural predators. But it would have been impossible for a diminutive species of three-foot-tall chimpanzees trying to survive on the savannah. The advantage of monogamy is that it keeps the group together, since each member is guaranteed a mate.

Coincidentally (or was it perhaps Intelligent Design?), this conversion to monogamy also offered irreplaceable advantages in child rearing. The enlistment of males to child rearing made possible the development of human intelligence. The combination of enlarging brains and the new upright stature made birth more difficult for protohuman females. As a result, all humans are born premature -- earlier than body size would dictate and in a much greater state of helplessness than other creature in nature. The evolution of human intelligence would have been impossible without the change in male role and the adoption of monogamy. For that reason, it is not at all surprising to find that the key genetic changes have occurred on the male chromosome.

So what does all this suggest for the present? First, it says that feminism, in its most obviously primitive forms, is undermining human evolution. Everywhere in the Western world, the emancipation of women has initially led to rising divorce rates and plummeting births. After intelligent consideration, however, many "second-generation" feminists have been able to handle both careers and families, which means the human family may be able to reconstitute itself on a more equitable basis.

The real changes are on the other side of the world, however, where Muslim societies have regressed to polygamy, a form of marriages that was not present in the earliest stages of human evolutionary history. This has led to a re-creation of the "bachelor herd" -- a disgruntled population of excess males, which Islam has always handled very skillfully by turning it into an army of jihad warriors.

The brotherhood of males, the invention of "fatherhood," the creation of monogamous marriage within a larger social unit -- these have been the pathways to human evolution. Sustaining the family while keeping rival brotherhoods from becoming too murderous in their competition will be the key to keeping the experiment going.


William Tucker is a frequent contributor to The American Spectator.


   http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10470

Published Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:59 PM by CP

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Mr. Farlops wrote on October 11, 2006 9:50 PM

Almost none of your speculations and assumptions follow from you quoted in the Time magazine article (Which is itself probably oversimplified and sensationalized.).

It is indeed quite interesting that the differences between human and chimp DNA are greatest on the male chromosome but it's too early to tell exactly what this means. I deem it likely that it doesn't mean anything like what you cite from The American Spectator--a periodical devoted to position papers from right wing intellectuals and pundits.

Of course my saying this will probably trigger an incoherent rant which I really wonder if I should waste my time in responding to.

 

etc966 wrote on October 12, 2006 8:08 AM

William Tucker, in his American Spectator article makes several fundamental errors, (as well as several factual errors), any one of which renders his speculations false and useless nonesense. There are so many fallacies stated in his article, one hardly knows where to start in deconstructing his garbled ideas.

The major flaw is:

1.) That he seems to imply that Homo sapiens (modern humans) evolved directly from Pan troglodytes (the larger East Arican chimpanzees).

    He writes, " The larger East African chimp, where males predominate, produced the line that lead to humanity."

He writes this to distinguish the larger East African chimpanzees from the bonobo chimpanzee (Pan paniscus). Stating that we evolved from the larger East African chimpanzee, but  not the bonobo chimpanzee lineage.

  Actually, we evolved from NEITHER. The modern chimpanzees, both East African (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo chimpanzees (Pan paniscus) are a separate species "Pan", that evolved in parallel to the human species "Homo sapiens" from a common ancestor 5.4 to 6 million years ago. We "share" ancestors with them, their species is not the ancestors of ours.

Therefore, because modern chimpanzees are not in our human evolutionary lineage directly, but rather diverged from a common ancestoral species, we could not have been the beneficiary of their genetic advances over bonobos or gorillas or any other  modern species of apes.

 By making a categorical error the basis of his argument, he renders his argument both "unsound" and false.

2.) Many other errors are made in his arguments, with regard to his many false statements I will list just a few.

                  a.) He writes, " .....both parents participate in child rearing. The extraordinary innovation is fatherhood, a role that doesn't really exist elsewhere in nature."

                  b.) Also, "Females usually stay within their native group but sometimes migrate to other troops--something males never do."

                   c.) ......" male chimps have learned to work with each other in co-operative effort---something nearly all other species don't do."

                    d.)......" This dampens sexual jealousy and eliminates the very cruel practice in other species where an alpha male will kill off any rival male's offspring in order to put females to work producing his own."

                     e.) ....."Muslims have regressed to polygamy, a form of marriage that was not present in the earliest stages of human evolutionary history."

                       f.)....." By the time hunting-and-gathering tribes arrive, however, men have been folded into the family. Monogamy predominates ...."

All these statements are either false or unfounded , or both. I won't waste any more space here by individually refuting each with examples to the contrary, because most are patently false and most of us have seen them refuted with our own eyes simply by watching documentaries on the Discovery Channel. I've seen adult alpha male chimpanzees murder baby chimps within their own tribe, because they weren't fathered by them. And even cannibalize the dead baby afterwards (Referring to example ~d).  And who hasn't seen the hunting-and-gathering tribe in the Amazon known as the "marrying tribe"...the Zo'e who's women take several husbands and are NOT monogamous, polygamy among hunter-gatherers is actually common....always has been. (Referring to example ~f).

All of his assertions are easily refuted with very little effort or research. Apparently William Tucker assumes his audiences to be as poorly informed as he is.

This does not mean that his premise was false.....That much of the evolutionary changes accumulated genetically in the Y chromosome.....just the conclusions that he drew from it and the assumptions that he based those conclusions on were misguided.

Mr. Farlops, is this about the same take you had on this ?

Or am I just horribly wrong in my understanding of human evolution ?

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on October 12, 2006 1:04 PM

Nope, I think you got a good summary of the logical and factual flaws, Etcetera.

Tucker is just cherry picking the facts that vaguely support his position and ignoring the rest.

Evolutionary anthropology, primate ethology and evolutionary psychology have a lot to tell us about why human nature is the way it is but I think we have to be extremely careful in extrapolating from one or two isolated facts somehow prove or disprove an entirely political ideology.

The mating habits of bonobos or the genetics of chimps has almost nothing to do with the validity or lack thereof feminism. Pundits, and especially scientists, that claim that it does are being irresponsible.

I've done a little research on William Tucker. He's a journalist, not a scientist. He's done only a small amount of science journalism for the New York Sun but mostly he's written books that criticize various policies from a right-wing perspective. He's interpreting data and offering theories in a field that isn't his expertise.

 

CP wrote on October 12, 2006 1:52 PM

I don't know anything about Tucker and little about the "Spectator".

I'm sure he's as competent a science writer as Al Gore, though.

Besides, if Bush can create hurricanes and steer them to specific goals why can't Tucker be accurate?

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on October 12, 2006 7:35 PM

CP,

1) I don't believe athropogenic global warming is fact because Al Gore says so. I believe athropogenic global warming is fact because that's the vast majority opinion of climatologists.

2) Anyone who says that George W Bush can actually control hurricanes is ignorant or lying. However George W. Bush, being the guy in charge, is responsible for the slow federal response to the Katrina disaster and responsible for the slow federal response to dealing with global warming.

3) Check your sources more carefully.

 

CP wrote on October 12, 2006 9:33 PM

Are you sure you don't believe it because your political leaders declare it to be so?

Actually, the President does not and cannot micromanage every government agency. I'm sure any leftist could but the rest of us simply aren't divinities. However, more than one leftist claimed he started the hurricane and steered it into New Orleans because the population there is largely black. These are the people who declare smoking cigarettes outdoors causes global warming. Maybe if we tell him the Koreans are not white he'll hit them with savage typhoons and blizzards.

I check to be sure my sources aren't leftists. Some can be a bit mistaken, like that world famous oceanographer, Ted Danson, who announced over a decade ago that in ten years from then the oceans would be "dead" and all marine life extinct. I can get to the shore in 15 minutes and verify it ain't so.

If you mean the essay I posted, I found it while "surfing the 'net" and thought it would stimulate thought or, in the case of the politically controlled, neurotic defense mechanisms. I never heard of the author and have only noticed the publication on the newsstand. Since you criticize it I will now read it. Besides, you're one to talk since you automatically reject things if they are "right wing." At least if I'm interested in the topic I see whether an item has internal consistency and the author seems intelligent rather than simply declares himself so.

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on October 13, 2006 4:08 AM

CP,

No, I don't believe it just because politicians, former or current, say so.

True, managers or presidents, can't micromanage every detail of every organization or agency under their control nor can they anticipate every possible disaster but:

We expect leaders to be vigilent.

We expect leaders to be visionary.

We expect leaders to take responsibility and repair mistakes.

We expect leaders to react swiftly to the unexpected.

We've gotten none of this from the current administration. Katrina only made plain that no one was minding the store up and down the entire chain of command. Is it strictly Bush's fault? No, but he isn't entirely guilt free either. As leader, there is an obligation, commenserate with the level of power granted, to take more blame and responsibility than strictly necessary. If he can't deal with this duty and pressures, unfair or not, tough, he shouldn't have taken the job in the first place.

And no, I don't automatically reject things that are right wing. I do however check the science behind political positions claiming scientific veracity. I can't your article seriously because it has so many logical errors and factual omissions.

 

CP wrote on October 13, 2006 7:49 AM

I understand you must deny a political basis for your superficial look at the article since the party line is to vehemently pretend the reality of every concocted scam. For example the one 50 years ago that the world was about to freeze over or the one 30 years ago that we were all about to starve...you can't lose with such things: if something like them happens you claim you tried, if it doesn't you stopped it.

I guess Clinton was so vigilant the terrorists tried to blow up the WTC and succeeded in attacks in the middle east. BJs under the desk didn't distract him, though he did have to destroy much Balkan infrastructure to try to distract the public. I guess that's what you mean by "repairing mistakes," and reacting "swiftly to the unexpected" as well as being "visionary" and "vigilant."

 

GrimJim wrote on October 13, 2006 9:08 AM

Polygamy feminist?  Not so fast.  Much of what is called polygamy is in fact polygyny, where one male has exclusive access to multiple female partners as a harem.  That's contrary to a woman's genetic interest in having access to multiple males.  Polygyny maximizes male reproductive choice (unless one is a male shut out of breeding) and minimized female reproductive choice, and is therefore anti-feminist.  Polygyny is hardly a modern "reversion" either, as the Old Testament contains accounts of polygynous male patriarchs.  As a case of more recent history, it's also been estimated that Charlemagne ended up being an ancestor to virtually all ethnic Europeans.  Polygyny is a male reproductive tactic for spreading his Y chromosome as it shuts out competing Y chromosomes and increases the odds that his Y chromosome will persist across generations.

 

urchinstar47 wrote on October 13, 2006 10:46 AM

GrimJim, could you please cite some sources to the estimation tjat Charlemagne is an ancestor to virtualy all ethnic Europeans?

 

GrimJim wrote on October 13, 2006 11:16 AM

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on October 13, 2006 12:37 PM

CP,

I freely admit that Clinton had many shortcomings, made many mistakes and messed up a lot of things. Waco, Texas, Somalia, the WTC basement bombing, the Balkans, etc. etc. Let's just say I only consider the Clinton Administration marginally better than the current one. Just because previous administrations, of whatever party, made mistakes doesn't excuse the current one from making mistakes. It certainly doesn't excuse them from taking blame.

That's why I say we should always expect more from leaders. I guess I should have followed that by saying we rarely get more. And I still think Bush dropped the ball on Katrina.

But this is all irrelevent to the discussion you started by posting this article. It's interesting how you raise irrelevencies whenever someone discredits a position you've taken. It's also interesting that you haven't analyzed and discounted the point by point breakdown that etc966 gave. Maybe when you've done that, I'll give you my point by point breakdown of why I think Tucker's position is flawed.

I doubt you'll do this.

 

Mr. Farlops wrote on October 13, 2006 1:02 PM

Grimjim and Urchinstar,

Polyandry isn't as rare as all that. There are also cultures and species that practice polyandry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyandry#Occurrence

It is is true that cultures that practice polyandry are rarer than cultures that practice polygyny but the practice is not unheard of.

Looking over the sources that GrimJim cited, I feel that Chang's (Chang is a statistician.) paper is more solidly based than Kissell's geneological speculations. (Kissell is a technical writer and journalist.) But I'm hardly qualified to judge this. Chang's paper has lots of math, is cited in peer reviewed, professional journals on the subject and is about something Chang specializes in. Kissell is an interested amateur exploring geneology who might be engaging in a little handwaving.

(See, CP? You play by the rules of scientific discourse and you might even get me to admit that I'm wrong about something. This is something you almost never do.)

 

CP wrote on October 13, 2006 1:48 PM

It isn't the president's job to know the details of organization of every federal bureaucracy. Most are overseen by congressional committees. It isn't the president's job to kill people to see if citizens will tolerate leftist gestapo tactics, either, but Clinton got away with it.

The reason you viciously attack anything I say is that I oppose your totalitarian collectivist politics and the inane fake issues its minions use to further the imposition of their regime. If I did not, I could say anything I wanted and you'd agree totally.

However, the population was much smaller in the year 800, meaning that many people alive now share a set of the same ancestors. There's a Y chromosome analysis of everyone with my paternal family name and mine matches the written records that exist back to Renaissance and late Medieval times -- and so do most people with that name; on paper and in the lab we're descended from the same people in England, Scotland, and Ireland. We also share a couple of odd genetic markers characteristic of Kazakhstan and Indonesia.

Doubtless the Oriental fellows snuck in as part of their attempt to keep evil Westerners from starting global warming, but it didn't work. You can prove it didn't work because it's October now and the weather is getting cool, proving that the weather is getting hotter.

 

etc966 wrote on October 13, 2006 10:02 PM

For "CP's" benefit, let me say that "I" am not a leftist by any stretch of the imagination. I probably have much more in common with CP than I do with Mr. Farlops.

While I suspect that CP is just trolling, because he enjoys a good political fight, my responses to the William Tucker post were not political in nature, nor were they politically based.

I am not a Democrat, Socialist, collectivist, liberal, leftist, communist, political activist, environmentalist, or any of the commonly chosen groups that are described as "leftist".  

My viewpoints were derived and based upon Critical Thinking and Universal Intellectual Standards.

Perhaps this will help CP clarify his point of view. These are the Universal Intellectual Standards that I use, and expect others to hold me to account for. Anyone who criticizes me along these lines only helps me to improve my writing, thinking and communication abilities.

This is from:  http:www.criticalthinking.org

Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.

It entails the examination of those structures or elements of thought implicit in all reasoning: purpose, problem, or question-at-issue; assumptions; concepts; empirical grounding; reasoning leading to conclusions; implications and consequences; objections from alternative viewpoints; and frame of reference. Critical thinking - in being responsive to variable subject matter, issues, and purposes - is incorporated in a family of interwoven modes of thinking, among them: scientific thinking, mathematical thinking, historical thinking, anthropological thinking, economic thinking, moral thinking, and philosophical thinking.

Universal intellectual standards are standards which must be applied to thinking whenever one is interested in checking the quality of reasoning about a problem, issue, or situation. To think critically entails having command of these standards.

While there are a number of universal standards, the following are the most significant:

CLARITY: Could you elaborate further on that point? Could you express that point in another way? Could you give me an illustration? Could you give me an example?

Clarity is the gateway standard. If a statement is unclear, we cannot determine whether it is accurate or relevant. In fact, we cannot tell anything about it because we don't yet know what it is saying.

ACCURACY: Is that really true? How could we check that? How could we find out if that is true?

A statement can be clear but not accurate, as in "Most dogs are over 300 pounds in weight."

PRECISION: Could you give more details? Could you be more specific?

A statement can be both clear and accurate, but not precise, as in "Jack is overweight." (We don't know how overweight Jack is, one pound or 500 pounds.)

RELEVANCE: How is that connected to the question? How does that bear on the issue?

A statement can be clear, accurate, and precise, but not relevant to the question at issue.

DEPTH: How does your answer address the complexities in the question? How are you taking into account the problems in the question? Is that dealing with the most significant factors?

A statement can be clear, accurate, precise, and relevant, but superficial (that is, lack depth). .

BREADTH: Do we need to consider another point of view? Is there another way to look at this question? What would this look like from a conservative standpoint? What would this look like from the point of view of...?

A line of reasoning may be clear accurate, precise, relevant, and deep, but lack breadth (as in an argument from either the conservative or liberal standpoint which gets deeply into an issue, but only recognizes the insights of one side of the question.)

LOGIC: Does this really make sense? Does that follow from what you said? How does that follow? But before you implied this and now you are saying that; how can both be true?

When we think, we bring a variety of thoughts together into some order. When the combination of thoughts are mutually supporting and make sense in combination, the thinking is "logical." When the combination is not mutually supporting, is contradictory in some sense, or does not "make sense," the combination is not logical.

( Paul, R. and Elder, L. (June 1996). Foundation For Critical Thinking).

 

silent1 wrote on October 13, 2006 11:10 PM

I just felt that I needed to comment on an entry by Mr, F. Now how did Clinton mess up in Waco Texas when that was a criminal investigation handled by the F.B.I( talk about micro manage), and here is a little historical tidbit you might find interesting .The Blind sheik, the mastermind of the original WTC bombing was allowed into this country by the 1st Bush as reward for favors done in Afghanistan during the Russian occupation(he was hiding out in the Sudan from the Egyptian secret service who wanted him for terrorist acts done there, when the US came to his rescue). Somalia, now if my memory serves me right, it was the 1st Bush who authorized the deployment of troops there, and he did that after he already had lost the election (I do not know if there is a historical precedent on that), and if any of you where around at that time one of the premises used against Clinton by the Bush reelection machine was that he lacked military experience and would not make a good commander and chief (Somalia looks like a trip wire to me). And as far as the Balkans is concern he was already being accused of doing the “wag the dog “, thing (dam if you do dam if you don’t).And the truth of the matter is that if Clinton was the CEO of a corporation you would not care about who he was getting BJ’s from but on how he was handling the company, and as far as that is concern he did a great job, the BJ thing was more a matter of Family court and not and act of impeachment, unlike the monster now in power who is now leading us into an abyss of war and possible nuclear engagement.

 

urchinstar47 wrote on October 14, 2006 1:48 PM

I was simply curious about the claim Grim made. I have no interest in CP's random ranting.

 

CP wrote on October 15, 2006 9:14 AM

Rantings?

I post an article, either describing some research or commenting on it and I'm attacked on a political basis. What am I supposed to do?

I only use logic and cite references when my attackers show reason...

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