(Crossposted from Depressed Metabolism)
This is the first in a series of
interviews with individuals in the life extension and cryonics
movement. We start off with an interview with Ben Best, president of
the Cryonics Institute.
What is your philosophy toward life?
I think that “sense of life” or
emotional involvement in life is the most crucial determinant of
orientation toward life per se. I can rationalize and try to
understand my sense of life — and probably exert influence — but to
assert that I have “control” of it would be saying too much.
Existentially, although I sometimes feel “thrown” helplessly into the
world, for the most part I have a conviction that I must accept
responsibility for my conditions and exert effort & intelligence
to improve — and that effort & intelligence can produce results.
I have an immense appreciation of my
life and experiences whether those experiences are positive or
negative. I certainly don’t enjoy negative or painful experiences at
the time I am experiencing them (and do not seek them out), but I am
glad to have them in my history. My greatest regrets in life are not
so much things that I have done or that have happened to me, but
things that I have not done. The great evils of life are aging and
death. If these two evils could be remedied there would be time
enough to use all that has been learned from the negative experiences
and to create positive experiences that fulfill the promises of life
which I have experienced in tantalizing tastes. (This is not to say
that I have not already experienced life in a wide variety of ways.)
But regrets aside, I love all that I
have gotten from life, and I simply want more, more, more… And I am
sad that there aren’t more people who feel the same way. I have
written on these themes on my website:
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/whylife.html
Are you still a practitioner of caloric restriction?
I practice calorie restriction only to
the extent of eating fewer calories than I would eat were I not so
conscious of benefits of restricting calories. I was once far more
aggressive in restricting my calories than I currently am. My CRAN
(Caloric Restriction with Adequate Nutrition) practices have been
described on my website:
http://www.benbest.com/calories/cran98.html
Do you believe that taking supplements can extend life?
Yes, I think there is no question that
supplements can “square the curve” and extend average lifespan. A
major breakthrough occurred in the mid-1990s when the AMA published a
study showing that selenium supplements caused a 50% reduction in
cancer incidence [JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION;
Clark,LC; 276(24):1957-1963 (1996)]. Formerly the medical
establishment insisted that dietary supplements are of no benefit. My
website contains considerable evidence of supplements reducing the
incidence of various disease conditions:
http://www.benbest.com/nutrceut/nutrceut.html
More controversial is the claim that
supplements can extend maximum lifespan. Unfortunately, too many
people believe that lack of convincing evidence that supplements can
extend maximum lifespan is equivalent to evidence that supplements do
not extend lifespan in any way. “Squaring the curve” and preventing
disease may be a means to live long enough (and healthy enough) to
benefit from rejuvenation technologies — whether or not supplements
can extend maximum lifespan.
How did you get involved in cryonics?
I was very interested in my health from
an early age — and not because I had serious health problems (I
haven’t). I also had an early aversion to death, and later, as a
teenager, enjoyed science fiction stories that described immortality
and endless youth. I found the PROSPECT OF IMMORTALITY in a health
food store and I also read Alan Harrington’s THE IMMORTALIST. I argued
in favor of the idea of cryonics years before I became seriously
involved. After getting my computing science degree and beginning work
as a programmer in Toronto in 1987 I seriously studied life extension
and less seriously got involved in cryonics (became a Director of the
Cryonics Society of Canada). My emphasis was more on life extension,
because I did not give cryonics a very good chance of working. Since
that time I have become much more optimistic about the chances of
cryonics working. And hopefully I am improving the chances of cryonics
working.
Do you think humans can achieve immortality?
Sadly, no. Forever is forever, and
something will eventually kill every human. I have written about this
subject in detail on my website:
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/immortal.html
What do you consider the most important reasons why not many people sign up for cryonics?
They don’t enjoy life enough or they
discount the reality/proximity of death or they believe that cryonics
is in opposition to religion. The third reason is probably the most
important for the most people, but I believe that it is important to
mention the first two reasons as an explanation for the attitudes of
people who do not use religion as an argument against cryonics.
Do you agree that cryonics should be presented as a form of long term critical care medicine?
This is a far more reasonable approach
than opposing cryonics to religion, especially because cryonics can
only hope to extend life, not guarantee immortality. I more often
describe cryonics as “experimental medicine” to emphasize that it is
unproven and not guaranteed to work.
Have you talked to children about cryonics?
Not much. I did have a recent
experience in which I spoke to about a hundred middle school students
about cryonics in five classes (groups of 20) for about an hour per
class. The students were mostly silent, asking very few relevant
questions, so I can’t say much about what it is like to discuss
cryonics with children. I was later told that the next day the
children came to class with many relevant questions.
What are your other interests besides cryonics and life extension?
My website shows a range of my interests:
http://www.benbest.com/
which include travel, history,
philosophy, economics, computing, business, and science in general. I
have interests, like massage and humanistic psychology, which I have
not discussed on my website. I have some good friendships, and I am
interested in my friends. I am actually interested in almost
everything to some extent and my love of learning, thinking and
understanding has much to do with my love of life.
I have made a hobby of learning about
every element in the periodic table. I have cards with information
about each element, and I study these cards while I work-out on my
stairmaster, which is my main form of exercise. (I have tried running,
but injured myself too often. Stairmaster allows study while getting
low-impact aerobic exercise.) A large portion of my Wikipedia edits
(aside from cryonics and life extension) are clarifications of
information about elements and compounds — questions that occurred to
me while studying on my stairmaster.
I have also recently become more
interested in planetary science and space travel. Formerly, a desire to
see the world of the future did not play much of a role in my craving
for extended youth, but increasingly I add a disappointment for not
being able to see and participate in all of the exciting things that
will happen.
The only sport that interests me very
much is women’s tennis. Some of my best friends are women. I am
fascinated by women and hope that I will someday have a lasting and
fulfilling relationship with one. However, I am too much of a
workaholic devoted to cryonics and life extension to spend much effort
on that project.
What kind of jobs did you work before being elected President of CI?
I had many odd jobs before working as a
taxi-driver and teamster (including semi-trailer driver). I also
worked as a computer operator, tutor/teaching assistant and as a
pharmacist. Then I became a computer programmer for a bank and taught
computer programming languages (APL and Java) at night school in
Toronto.
What made you decide to run for president of CI?
I decided that the time had come for me
to devote my life to cryonics. I felt that I could make a unique and
profound contribution to the workability of cryonics. Although work as
a computer programmer paid well, the product of my labor was not
personally meaningful to me (which is not the same as satisfaction
with doing a good job). It is extremely satisfying to me to be able to
do the work I do as CI President. I cannot think of any other work I
would rather be doing. And I have no desire to not be working as long
as I can do this work.
How did you meet Saul Kent, and to what extent does Mr. Kent currently influence your actions and behaviors?
I met Saul Kent at the October 1989 Cryonics Conference held near Detroit Michigan:
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=109
Although Saul has been very influential
in other cryonics organizations, this was not the case with the
Cryonics Institute. I am not often in communication with Saul, but I
respect what he has done for cryonics and on a few occasions I have
deferred to his wishes on matters that were not of great significance.
I am not conscious that he influences my actions and behaviors aside
from my appreciation of his financing of cryonics-related research.
Saul is certainly influential in terms of his authority at Suspended
Animation, Inc., with whom many CI Members (including me) have
contracts for standby/stabilization. But for the most part I have not
dealt with him directly.
What do you consider your biggest failures and achievements at CI?
I failed to get the IRS to grant 501(c)13 status to the Cryonics
Institute. I failed to get a patent for CI-VM-1. I failed to change CI
policy to allow acceptance of neuro patients. I have failed to restore
the ability of CI to perfuse in the CI facility.
I succeeded in going through all of the
CI Member files and creating a computer database that provides a means
of quantifying and quickly accessing Member information (and in the
process eliminating bad records of lost and deceased members). I have
greatly improved the content (not the appearance) of the Cryonics
Institute website. I have made significant revisions to the paperwork
and I created contracts for Standby/Transport services for CI Members
with Suspended Animation. I have created computer control for patient
cooling. I have placed all of the financial bookkeeping on CI’s
computer, relieving the CI Treasurer of most of the chores of gathering
data for financial statements and payment of taxes. I have written
case reports for all new CI patients. I have caused prepayments to be
treated as liabilities rather than income. I have changed the fiscal
year to be the calendar year. I continue to make improvements in CI
perfusion equipment and procedures. Among other things…
CI encourages member involvement through elections and mailing-lists. Do you think CI benefits from this?
I co-created the CI Members’ forum with
John de Rivaz and I am pleased with the channel of communication that
it has promoted. The forum has put CI Members in touch with CI
Members, Directors, Officers and Staff. I am usually a very active
participant in the CI Members’ forum.
I have actively encouraged CI Members
to be candidates in the Board of Director elections. I think that
voting and running for office increases Member participation in the
Cryonics Institute — which I believe is a good thing.
What kind of improvements would you like to implement at CI in the coming years?
I want to improve the efficiency of
patient cooling and add the capability to cool two patients
simultaneously. I want to be able to create financial statements more
quickly and easily. I want to improve perfusion methods and equipment,
with a particular eye toward reducing edema. I want to improve the
safety associated with operations in the patient care area. I want to
restore the ability of CI to perfuse at the CI facility. I want better
documentation for what is done at CI. I need to address the challenges
of growth, including adding physical capacity and additional staff.
For CI (and in the cryonics community in general), I would like to see
more fruitful attention and effort devoted to wireless vital signs
alarm systems. Too many cryonicists living alone have suffered
massive ischemia, autolysis and decomposition due to the absence of
such systems. Cryonicists who have a cardiac arrest while sleeping
next to a spouse would also benefit.
What is a typical day like at CI?
Most days involve a reasonable amount
of answering the phone and e-mail. Readings are taken of liquid
nitrogen levels in the cryostats daily, which I only do when Andy is
away. Filling of some cryostats is done twice weekly by Andy — only
once weekly are all of the cryostats re-filled. Andy does the member
paperwork and building maintenance. I do the bookkeeping/tax payments
and website updates. A large part of the time I am researching and
writing. When we get a patient, the patient becomes the center of
attention.
You have investigated the issue
of molecular mobility at low temperatures. Has this made you more or
less skeptical about intermediate temperature storage for cryonics
patients?
I am more skeptical about the value of
intermediate temperature storage, but I am skeptical of my skepticism
because my results are so inconclusive.
At the recent CI training,
Alcor’s Readiness Coordinator Regina Pancake attended and led a
successful case simulation. Do you think it would be a positive
development if there was more mutual assistance and cross-training
between staff and members of cryonics organizations?
The co-operation between CI and Alcor
in the last few years has been reasonably good. A CryoSummit was held
between Alcor, ACS and Alcor in August 2002. After some wrangling I was
permitted to attend an Alcor training in October 2003. In the summer
of 2007 Tanya and I co-led a training in Alberta. Dr. Pichugin gave
some training to your wife Chana when she was an Alcor employee in
December 2007. In May 2008 Alcor sent Regina to attend the CI Cryonics
Rescue Training. I would like to witness/participate in an Alcor case,
but the opportunities for doing this seem limited.
The thorniest issue related to
co-operation between CI and Alcor has to do with local response in
areas where there is a mix of Alcor and CI Members, such as in Toronto
and the UK. The UK has set a good example (with Alcor approval) of
allowing both CI Members and Alcor Members to participate in the
trainings. But where proprietary information is involved such as the
Critical Care Research meds, even signing a non-disclosure agreement
would not be an option for CI Members insofar as they are the people
the non-disclosure agreements are designed to “protect” against. Worse,
if a CI Member becomes terminal and the local group decides to do
volunteer standby and stabilization, how much Alcor equipment can be
used? Alcor invests a great deal of money in that equipment, and
proprietary sentiments are completely appropriate. In practice, this
has not been a problem thus far, but if both cryonics organizations
continue to grow, situations of this nature are bound to arise and I
hope that reasonable solutions can be found.
How do you feel about competition in cryonics?
I believe that arrogance and
complacency are poison for cryonics organizations, and competition is
of value in shaking complacency (sometimes). I definitely think that
it would be a bad idea for cryonics to have all the eggs in one
organizational basket. I opposed the idea of a merger between Alcor
and CI when the issue was raised at the CryoSummit in 2002. There is
already too much vulnerability to lawsuits and legal/political
threats. More organizations in more locations (including more
countries) would reduce this vulnerability.
Some people say that CI should offer its own standby and stabilization services. Do you agree with this?
CI does not have the resources to
provide standby and stabilization in the Detroit area, much less
anywhere else. There is very little demand for these services by CI
Members — and very little willingness to pay more than the minimum. CI
Members interested in contracting for standby and stabilization do so
with Suspended Animation.
I have attempted to provide both local
and remote CI Members with support in volunteer standby and
stabilization. The May 2008 training was given as part of this
support, although only six CI Members attended. I have obtained and
discussed equipment that local groups could use, but very few CI
Members showed any interest. I will continue to support volunteer
effort by CI Members, but my expectations are not high.
What are the prospects of CI
Members coming to the CI area to retire, create mutual support
communities and start cryonics hospices?
A few CI Members have shown an interest
in creating a mutual support community near CI, but for the most part
CI Members would rather remain near home and family when they become
terminal. In a couple of cases, CI Members with serious health
problems have recently moved to be near CI. This creates the potential
for faster response, but in both cases the Members are living alone
and may not benefit without alarm systems.
Dr. Yuri Pichugin resigned his
post at CI several months ago. Are there any plans to hire a new
researcher or to continue research at CI in some way?
There are no plans for a new
researcher. Concerning R & D, I think the most immediate need is
for greater Development, rather than Research — except to the extent
that my own studying & experimentation with equipment &
procedures is considered research.
In the recent past you have
stated that there should be the equivalent of a “Manhattan Project”
for cryoprotectant toxicity. Can you elaborate on this? How do you
think cryonics can realize this goal?
I have elaborated on this in the
March/April 2008 issue of LONG LIFE magazine. Eliminating or greatly
reducing cryoprotectant toxicity would be the greatest possible step
toward suspended animation through cryopreservation with
vitrification. If suspended animation through cryopreservation became
a reality there would be immediate acceptance and adoption by
conventional medicine. Patient stabilization would be perfected by
researchers all over the world and adopted in hospitals and other
medical facilities.
I think that too much research effort
in cryonics is devoted to whole body vitrification, which is a side
issue. Cryoprotectant toxicity needs to be the focus of attention,
and studied with experiments directed toward understanding the
molecular mechanisms on a theoretical level — not simply trial and
error. Whole body vitrification could very well be achieved more
quickly if cryoprotectant toxicity was the focus of study.
CI is regulated as a cemetery,
you are not allowed to cryoprotect patients in your own facility, and
neuropreservation seems to be controversial in Michigan. Is it not time
to relocate CI to another state?
It would be far too costly and risky to attempt to move to another state.